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PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The boots-there needs to be more leeway given due to the wide variety of foot coverings used in the movie. Some officers are using boots with straps and no visible zipper, some have a visible inside zipper, and some are even wearing shoes with WWI era style winnegas, or legwraps. (Good eye, Ryan!) There are different boot shaft heights, different shades of brown, some are black.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

did these get finalised? The shirts are the same as the connix ones? There's two colours the darker and the lighter.

Trousers: there's the olive (some of which look to have the knee pad style, like pam and a few others). the lighter brown and then dark brown like ackbar wears.

Someone pointed out that the yellow/brown vest has patch pockets on either side. the same as ackbar and Pam



There is actually a costume with leg wrap too, not sure if this is the one you are talking about?

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where are we on these? We have a group build on pause while we are waiting for the standards, so I'm wondering what we need to do to finalize them?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are we sticking with just medium brown for the vest, as some seem to look more yellow/ochre but some more brown?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Waistcoat

Medium brown/ochre vest with a V neck that crosses from left to right in the front, no visible closure. Fabric has a wool like texture.
Side pockets as per references
* has what looks like princess/shaping seams in the back*

Shirt

Shirt is made from a muted natural fiber fabric. The color consists of off mid yellow with tones of brown, or pale yellow/cream with tones of brown?
Loose fitting,* shoulder opening?*
Short stand collar of aproximatly 1-1 1/2 that opens at shoulder on left side.
Sleeves are gathered into a long slim cuff. as per references


Pants

-Pants are made from a natural fiber and earthly tone. Muted green and browns are optimal.
Pants are tailored to the wearer.

optional-
knee pads- large rounded rectangles stitched on top of the knees
the two front pockets are patch pockets- as per references
combat stitching-



Boots

-Boots are any shade of brown *We have also seen black*
-Boots are above the ankle and below the knee

*Pam has knee high, 2 women from TLJ look like they have knee high with side strap like connix. The po-zu boots have straps and zips*

Belt

-Belt is a warm reddish brown/Dark brown and approximately 2 1/2-3 inches tall.
-Belt buckle is rectangular, same height as the belt and flush and is approximately 4.5 inches wide

Rank Badge

To match screen reference

Hair and Face

-Minimal makeup can be utilized.
-Hair is natural colored and can be any style
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll get to this one next. Pretty much done with Connix and the Jr Controllers, I'll start putting this together.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There seems to be two kinds of jackets worn by officers, and the vest. I suggest we make them variations of the same costume rather than separate standards.

We have this jacket:


pretty much the vest but with long sleeves.

And this, which has a center front closure instead of an over lap, and some interesting top stitching around the arms. Don't judge the color from this, it's from a scene in the control room with the glowing green panels.




And the vest, as worn by Ackbar and others:

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

With the center closure, I think that's just the angle as Brance and ematt one's def overlap, you can see in the visual dictionary and the other refs

The more I'm looking at those vests against litrally any brown melton samples, the more I'm thinking yellow/gold....yellow overdyed.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have the Visual Dictionary on order... This is the next project!
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've gone through the TFA screenshots on the SW Screen Caps site and culled all of the ones that have officers pictured. I think we can break the costumes down into two basic categories.

1. Controllers
2. Generic Officer Uniforms- including medical personnel outside of Dr. Kalonia

Both of these categories have more than one possible uniform.


1. Controllers

The Controllers/ Jr. Controllers I'll address quickly first because those wouldn't fall under this standard. We already have one approved for one version of their uniform.

http://newsite.rebellegion.com/kayden-ko-connix-generic-controllers-tfa/

They wear either a cropped vest like this:




Or a quilted coat like this:



This version we still need to finalize a standard for.


2. Generic Officer Uniforms- including medical personnel outside of Dr. Kalonia

There appear to be three main variations of the base uniform for officers.

1. Brown coat with a Mandarin collar and a shaped front that covers part of the belt





















2. Camel to light brown coat with a surplice (cross front) neckline, and topstitching along the shoulder























3. Golden tan, cross front vest with patch pockets























All three versions of the uniform appear to be worn by people from both the army and navy branches, people of a variety of ranks, and with or without rank badges at all.


The other pieces of the uniform appear to be quite mixed and match.

1. Shirts- These all appear to be the same style, and may vary in shade from a light sand to a darker camel or light tan color. They are tailored shirts of a light woven fabric that has some crinkle or texture to it. The shirts have short standing collars and sleeves gathered into a wide cuff. There are no visible closures.



2. Pants- These appear to range in color from drab olive to chocolate brown. They may have the patch pockets that the Jr. Controller's do, but those pockets are hidden by the vest or jacket. They do not appear to have knee pads or combat stitching around the knee.






3. Belt- The belts have a weathered, silver toned, solid rectangular buckle with rounded corners. Buckle should be the same width as the belt. No visible rivets. The leather ranges in color from golden tan to dark brown and is 2 to 2.5 inches (5 to 7 cm) wide.












4. Boots- The boots also have a large amount of variation. Some are either black or brown PoZu Well 2 boots, some are brown knee high flat soled boots with an inside zipper, and at least one of the medical officers is wearing ankle high brown boots with brown woven leg wraps.












Propose:

Required Items:

1. Jacket or Vest

Option 1:
-Medium to dark brown jacket. Fabric should have a fulled texture with no visible weave.
-Mandarin collar with the rows of topstitching spaced about 1" apart
-Wrap front closing left over right with no visible closures. Left flap has a curved edge per reference photos.
-Belt is threaded through a slit in the left flap, and the buckle is hidden.
-Jacket front features princess seams curving from the sleeve across the bust.
-Jacket back is fitted to the waist through the side seams. The bottom flares slightly and features a jacket vent.
-Jacket has a center back seam.
-Jacket features shoulder seams running from the collar to the sleeve on either side.

Option 2:
-Light to medium brown wrap front jacket. Fabric should have a fulled texture with no visible weave.
-Wrap front closing left over right with no visible closures.
-Jacket has a V neckline created by the wrap front. (Surplice neckline.)
-Jacket back is fitted to the waist through the side seams. The bottom flares slightly and features a jacket vent.
-4 lines of topstitching curve around the shoulder, spaced approximately 1.5” apart
-Jacket has a center back seam.
-Jacket features shoulder seams on both sides.

Option 3:
-Golden brown wrap front vest. Fabric should have a fulled texture with no visible weave.
-Wrap front closing left over right with no visible closures.
-Vest has a center back seam.
-Vest back is fitted to the waist through the side seams.
-Vest features shoulder seams on both sides.
-There are two rectangular patch pockets sized approximately 5" x 7" that are placed on either side. They sit approximately at the hip.

2. Shirt
-A light tan to dark beige, long sleeved shirt of lightweight woven fabric, such as cotton.
-Sleeves are gathered into a wide cuff ending at the wrist. Cuff fasteners should be hidden.
-The shirt collar stands up approximately 1 inch and opens at the left shoulder, secured with non-visible fasteners.
-The shirt may optionally close down the left side of the front, but the fasteners should not be visible.

Note: these are consistent with the existing Jr. Controller Standard, and they wear the same shirt.

3. Trousers
-Dark olive to chocolate brown in a bottom-weight twill or similar fabric. No denim.
-Pants should have a high waist and fly front.
-Worn with the pant leg tucked into boots. Pant legs should be fitted enough to tuck without excessive blousing.

Optional: Patch front pockets that extend upward to form the belt loops.


4. Belt
-Golden tan to dark brown leather belt, 2 to 2.5 inches (5 to 7 cm) wide.
-Weathered, silver toned, solid rectangular buckle with rounded corners. Buckle should be the same width as the belt.
-No visible rivets.


5. Boots

Option 1:
- Calf high black or brown boot, featuring a Velcro strap at the top and a vertical zipper on the inside. Boots have a flat sole. (Similar to the PoZu Well 2 Boot.)

Option 2:
- Brown, knee high, flat soled boots. Boots may have an inside zipper, with a tab at the top secured by a metal stud.

Option 3:
-Dark brown ankle high, flat soled boots worn with dark brown woven legwraps that reach just below the knee.



Optional Items: (Will need to add details here.)
1. Rank Badge
2. Medical Baldric and Arm Band
3. Belt Pouches
4. Weathered fabric Starbird patch on the left shoulder of either coat. (Some have them, some appear not to.)
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think some colour pulls for the vest would be good, because while it is tan, its also quite gold in some shots. Especially the TFA briefing room shot where you see them all together. It looks almost the same as the controller vest.

One of the women has olive trousers with kneepads.... kneepads are also seen on the brown trousers in the screen shots of the disney promo thing they did.... but I know we ended up putting the back strap in from there as optional so thought id mention it. (ill find the pics, i also still think when you look at the side by side of pam and connix in the TFA VD that pam has knee pads, if you look at the way they sit.)

Pams belt looks like a weathered saddle tan so will that come under that range?

I think the trousers of the officers with the long sleeve melton jackets look more like gaberdine or maybe something softer than the twill? So might be worth extending the fabric range? I agree that they don't have any trouser detail at all.


fab work Kristina Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 1:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Amazing job, Kristina! My only thought is that I would describe the lightest shirts as a dark cream because of the yellow undertones.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tenebris wrote:
I think some colour pulls for the vest would be good, because while it is tan, its also quite gold in some shots. Especially the TFA briefing room shot where you see them all together. It looks almost the same as the controller vest.

One of the women has olive trousers with kneepads.... kneepads are also seen on the brown trousers in the screen shots of the disney promo thing they did.... but I know we ended up putting the back strap in from there as optional so thought id mention it. (ill find the pics, i also still think when you look at the side by side of pam and connix in the TFA VD that pam has knee pads, if you look at the way they sit.)

Pams belt looks like a weathered saddle tan so will that come under that range?

I think the trousers of the officers with the long sleeve melton jackets look more like gaberdine or maybe something softer than the twill? So might be worth extending the fabric range? I agree that they don't have any trouser detail at all.


fab work Kristina Smile



When you say Pam do you mean Pamich Nerro?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Propose:

Required Items:

1. Jacket or Vest

Option 1:
-Medium to dark brown jacket. Fabric should have a fulled texture with no visible weave.
-Mandarin collar with the rows of topstitching spaced about 1" apart
-Wrap front closing left over right with no visible closures. Left flap has a curved edge per reference photos.
-Belt is threaded through a slit in the left flap, and the buckle is hidden.
-Jacket front features princess seams curving from the sleeve across the bust.
-Jacket back is fitted to the waist through the side seams. The bottom flares slightly and features a jacket vent.
-Jacket has a center back seam.
-Jacket features shoulder seams running from the collar to the sleeve on either side.

Optional: Weathered fabric Starbird patch on the left shoulder

Option 2:
-Light to medium brown wrap front jacket. Fabric should have a fulled texture with no visible weave.
-Wrap front closing left over right with no visible closures.
-Jacket has a V neckline created by the wrap front. (Surplice neckline.)
-Jacket back is fitted to the waist through the side seams. The bottom flares slightly and features a jacket vent.
-4 lines of topstitching curve around the shoulder, spaced approximately 1.5” apart
-Jacket has a center back seam.
-Jacket features shoulder seams on both sides.

Optional: Weathered fabric Starbird patch on the left shoulder


Option 3:
-Gold to golden brown wrap front vest. Fabric should have a fulled texture with no visible weave.
-Wrap front closing left over right with no visible closures.
-Vest has a center back seam.
-Vest back is fitted to the waist through the side seams.
-Vest features shoulder seams on both sides.
-There are two rectangular patch pockets sized approximately 5" x 7" that are placed on either side. They sit approximately at the hip.

2. Shirt
-A cream/light tan to dark beige, long sleeved shirt of lightweight woven fabric, such as cotton.
-Sleeves are gathered into a wide cuff ending at the wrist. Cuff fasteners should be hidden.
-The shirt collar stands up approximately 1 inch and opens at the left shoulder, secured with non-visible fasteners.
-The shirt may optionally close down the left side of the front, but the fasteners should not be visible.

Note: these are consistent with the existing Jr. Controller Standard, and they wear the same shirt.

3. Trousers
-Dark olive to chocolate brown in a bottom-weight twill or similar fabric or a pant weight gaberdine. No denim.
-Pants should have a high waist and fly front.
-Worn with the pant leg tucked into boots. Pant legs should be fitted enough to tuck without excessive blousing.

Optional: Patch front pockets that extend upward to form the belt loops.

Pants worn with Option 3 (Gold Vest) may also include combat stitching around the knee, but it is not required.


4. Belt
-Golden brown to dark brown leather belt, 2 to 2.5 inches (5 to 7 cm) wide.
-Weathered, silver toned, solid rectangular buckle with rounded corners. Buckle should be the same width as the belt.
-No visible rivets.


5. Boots

Option 1:
- Calf high black or brown boot, featuring a Velcro strap at the top and a vertical zipper on the inside. Boots have a flat sole. (Similar to the PoZu Well 2 Boot.)

Option 2:
- Brown, knee high, flat soled boots. Boots may have an inside zipper, with a tab at the top secured by a metal stud.

Option 3:
-Dark brown ankle high, flat soled boots worn with dark brown woven legwraps that reach just below the knee.



Optional Items:
1. Screen accurate Resistance rank badge, any branch any rank.

2. Teal fabric Resistance medical services arm band worn on left shoulder. 4″ wide, with 2″ high Aurebesh lettering in white on band that translates to MEDIC.

3. Brown leather/leather-like, rectangular belt pouches, dimensions and number vary
.


I've updated these to reflect some added detail for the optional items and incorporate some your suggested changes. Color ranges and fabric options have been expanded. Because these are generic characters and the colors used truly are a range, I'd argue against using something as concrete as a pantone scale. I think it is better to allow some flexibility.

I disagree with the interpretation of Pamich's belt being dyed saddle tan and weathered. I think they are darker. (Mine was dyed with saddle tan and required not only weathering, but redyeing to get it dark enough.) These are generic characters with a large degree of color variation used though, so if others agree and you have references I could be convinced.

I've included the combat stitching around the knee as an option for pants with the gold vest, but I'd feel more comfortable with that if you could share the reference pictures you are drawing that conclusion from? I do not feel that the small picture in the TFA VD has enough detail to draw conclusions about stitching on the pants.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I've updated these to reflect some added detail for the optional items and incorporate some your suggested changes. Color ranges and fabric options have been expanded. Because these are generic characters and the colors used truly are a range, I'd argue against using something as concrete as a pantone scale. I think it is better to allow some flexibility.

I disagree with the interpretation of Pamich's belt being dyed saddle tan and weathered. I think they are darker. (Mine was dyed with saddle tan and required not only weathering, but redyeing to get it dark enough.) These are generic characters with a large degree of color variation used though, so if others agree and you have references I could be convinced.

I've included the combat stitching around the knee as an option for pants with the gold vest, but I'd feel more comfortable with that if you could share the reference pictures you are drawing that conclusion from? I do not feel that the small picture in the TFA VD has enough detail to draw conclusions about stitching on the pants.


Agreed its just been a really tricky colour to get right as it shifts. I'm trying to find a solid fabric source we can direct people too when they are building but its proving quite tricky. I'm also working on dye recipe's.

I think it just has elements of reddish in it, like really heavily weathered...I don't know how else to describe it I just don't think its golden brown or dark brown. Again its not a sticking point for me, just its one of the most easily avalible images and if someone in my detachment starts building using this ref how do I direct them? Also Starura's belt looks reddish in quite a few refs as he comes under these that needs to be addressed.

That's the kneepads.



Are we putting in the shaping/princess seams at the back of the vest?
Could be added as optional for those who want to?



Apologies if I don't always post pics when I comment, my little girl has complex special needs and if a pic is on my phone and she has it.......its not worth the meltdown to prise it from her.
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