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Jyn Imperial Ground Crew Disguise - Pre-Standards Discussion
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I have the PhiloProps R1 style boxes and the code disk for the belt buckle, if anyone wants more detailed pictures/measurements.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Found this picture and thought it might be useful, has a nice clear view of the collar tab:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f2/a8/f5/f2a8f5077b0b232796d6f817c5327dbf.jpg
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2019 12:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's an excellent picture, Jabari! I've never seen that one before.

I wonder if we should start a flickr account or something for a reference gallery. I'm a little worried about another photobucket situation where if it folds up, we lose our gallery, though.

Sorry I've been MIA, was on vacation. Guess it's armor time, though thankfully I don't think we need to tweak much here, I think we just need to lay it out in a more readable fashion. I suggest we describe the overall armor then break it up into sections.

Armor


  • Armor appears to be a glossy/semi-glossy black with some weathering.
  • Armor has black foam padding behind front and back pieces and lining the straps.
  • Armor is composed of 5 Parts; Chest Armor[1]; Back Armor[2]; Wrap Armor[3]; Batons[4]; and Straps[5].


--------------------1. Chest Armor

--------------------2. Back Armor

--------------------3. Wrap Armor

--------------------4. Batons

--------------------5. Straps

Do you guys think this will be easier to read?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Outline format seems to make sense, to my mind, for the Standards text.

For collecting the resources, I'd recommend a Google Drive over Flickr, for the very reasons you mention: Flickr could decide to to drop free accounts and start charging any day (or change the functionality of free accounts so they no longer do what we need), and we'd lose the whole thing unless someone ponies up. Google is the least likely to have this issue.

The main issue becomes ownership, since they're usually tied to someone's personal account, and when leadership changes, it becomes an issue. I wish the RL had a G Suite account, because then shared drives can be set up and individuals designated access (and revoked) as needed, so personnel turnover is less of an issue.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2019 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I've been posting a lot of pics on my personal server. A google drive, can you even link pictures to that?

I wish we had a nice, clean graphic to use, but this was the largest, cleanest shot of the front I could find. I did see some 3D model pics on the RPF, I wonder if the creator would let us use the graphic for the standards.




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  • Armor appears to be a glossy/semi-glossy black with some weathering.
  • Armor has black foam padding behind front and back pieces and lining the straps.
  • Straps are rubber or rubber-like with raised rectangular detail. Straps pass through slots on the front and back armor pieces.
  • Armor is composed of 5 Parts; Chest Armor[1]; Back Armor[2]; Wrap Armor[3]; Batons[4]; and Straps[5].


--------------------1. Chest Armor

  • Chest Armor is composed of 4 pieces; The Chest Base; The Front Plate; Attachment #1; Attachment #2.
  • Width of top of chest armor is approximately/no wider than the width of the wearer, from armpit to armpit. It spans from the base of the neck to the bottom of the ribcage.
  • Straps pass through two raised mounts/slots on top of armor. Left side mount has round shaped indent. Left side has two oblong oval cut outs backed with red plastic, just below shoulder strap mount. *Optional: These may be lit.
  • The Front Plate is rectangular at the top, with a groove running most of the way down the rectangle’s center. Sides of front plate is wing-shaped and wraps around bottom of Chest Base to the Wrap Armor on the side.

    • Wings partially cover Attachment #2. There is a hollow section behind where the 'wings' wrap around.

    -Attachments

    • Attachment #1 appears rectangular from the front, with sloping top and bottom sides making it appear trapezoidal from the side.
    • Attachment #1 has an outlined and raised horizontal slot with rounded ends, and a blue plastic square (approx. 1.5") below it in the middle. The slot and the square are the same width.
    • Below Attachment #1 are two silver metal or metallic details, a small disk with a knob, and a male snap connector. The knob is cylindrical with a conical tip.
    • Attachment #1 sits on the top right of the chest armor of the wearer.


    • Attachment #2 is wedge shaped, with a rectangular base that has sloped sides. At the top of the wedge are 5 small shallow rectangular holes with rounded ends.
    • Attachment #2 sits on the left side of the chest armor, approximately 3 inches below the two front lights/oblong ovals.




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Please discuss! This is mostly derived from both the 501st standards and Jabari's edits to wording, trying to find the cleanest way to present this information in the easiest way to read possible, so please give your input!

I tried to put the general over-all points separate from the point-by-points on the armor parts themselves.

*Blue changes added per suggestion by Fleurderys 11/20/19

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The width of the chest armor is armpit to armpit? That would seem to indicate armor makers would been to make a ton of different widths. That's not usually possible (or rather, practical) for hard armor. Most hard armor comes in one size, or two at most, since a different mold has to be sculpted for each. Otherwise every single person who is a tad wider or a tad smaller than the standard needs to get one-off custom armor made.

Even with the word "approximately" in there, I can easily see Judges getting carried away with that.

What has been the norm for hard armor in the past?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can see that. The previous wording said it was "the width of the wearer" which isn't entirely accurate, if it's any wider than where your sleeves sit, you won't be able to move your arms forward. I'm tiny and mine sits in the right place. Technically on Kent Deezling it's much smaller, so it would be more accurate to range it on the smaller side, but no larger than the width of your chest.

Here's Kent Deezling.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 1:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have some minor suggestions in red!

This all makes sense. My only thought is maybe more bullet points might be easier to digest vs. several points made in longer sentences.

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-Attachments

Attachment #1 appears rectangular from the front, with sloping top and bottom sides making it appear trapezoidal from the side.
Attachment #1 has an outlined and raised? horizontal slot with rounded ends, and a blue plastic square (approx. 1.375"?) below it in the middle. The slot and the square are the same width.
Below Attachment #1 are two silver metal or metallic details, a small disk with a knob, and a male snap connector. The knob is cylindrical with a conical tip.
Attachment #1 sits on the top right of the chest armor of the wearer.

Attachment #2 is wedge shaped, with a rectangular base that has sloped sides. At the top of the wedge are 5 small shallow rectangular holes with rounded ends.
Attachment #2 sits on the left side of the chest armor, approximately 3 inches below the two front lights/oblong ovals.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agreed, I'll add those in Smile

On the bullet points... I tried to keep the parts that directly related to the same specific piece together because I was worried that a lot of bullet points vs a few more condensed bullet points would make it seem less daunting, but would that help? We can make a sample of one of the sections in the two formats and take a poll before we go back and restructure.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Continuing on (and please please feel free to contribute and chime in!!)

2. Back Armor


  • Back Armor is trapezoidal, approximately the width of the wearer’s shoulders at the top, and narrower at the bottom.
  • Back armor has asymmetrical raised mount points for the shoulder straps.
  • Two large grooves run the length of the armor, to hold the batons. Each is parallel to the edge of the armor, creating a V-shape.
  • On the wearer’s left shoulder, near the top of the armor and to the right of the groove, are two small red slots with rounded ends.
    • Optional: Slots may be illuminated red.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bueller?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This looks good. Maybe adding the back armor comes to the costumer's natural waist (or just past), resting on the waist armor.

I think the red dots on the back are slightly larger than the ones on the front?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking good to me!
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

moving this to the standards development forum.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you. I'll try to get working on this again soon along with anyone willing to give input. We just need to finish up armor tweaks before proposing.
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