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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2021 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As far as I know, we have to describe items as well as we can. Are not supposed to say stuff like RFT helmet in the Fleet Officer CS or Rogue One Jyn Erso or Cassian Andor boot in this one. The CS has to be written in a way that does not require looking up other CS.

I would love to keep the X-Wing helmet in this CS and your statement about military helicopter pilots make a lot of sense to me. I am unsure if the Rebel Legion Charter will allow it if the NPCs do not wear helmets. I wished that a pilot LCJ, DCO, or DXO would comment on this thread.

The pilot boots have some similarities with Cassian Andor's and Jyn Erso's boots because of the leather flap and buckle but they are not the same. Those boots are based on Frye “Sutton Tall” boots. It is a combat boot with laces that is kind of wide in the foot but gets narrower at the ankle. The pilot boots stay the same width similar to commuter boots or short engineer boots.


Pilot boots








Commuter boots



Short engineer boots




Cassian Andor's boots





Jyn Erso's boots




Frye “Sutton Tall” boots

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2021 3:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The frye boot looks like old combat boots from decades ago. I checked the sizes. Maybe when I was younger I could wear boots that size but my feet are much bigger now, so thats out. But with the flap covering the laces, it would be a starting point for someone with normal feet.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2021 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

G'nott sH'urr wrote:
The frye boot looks like old combat boots from decades ago. I checked the sizes. Maybe when I was younger I could wear boots that size but my feet are much bigger now, so thats out. But with the flap covering the laces, it would be a starting point for someone with normal feet.




I have a similar problem with my old combat boots. I have not worn them in about 10 years. My feet became wider over the years probably because of weight and now the boots do not fit anymore.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

when i was seeing a podiatrist he told me our feet get bigger/ wider as we age. Mine have!!!

Anyway, back on target:

The parts in orange from the V 2.0 proposal, are what we need to finalize. Its not much, but we do need to come to a consensus:

Belt- can it be inside to hold up the pants?
Boots: the laces (if any) would be covered. Would a lace up boot be allowed?
And the final bit, is using the term screen acccurate: can we/ should we use that vs. the heavy text desciption that the Legion currently favors.


Those three issues seem to be the last of the items to finalize. I just got a greenscreen system today, so better pictures are in order, once we make a determination.

Required:

* The belt is worn outside the pants. (Recommend removing. Some people might have to wear a belt underneath to keep their pants up, which might look worse than just wearing the belt as a belt.)
* Tan/Khaki/Coyote brown colored web belt with roll-pin or sliding bar style buckle.
* A British PLCE belt, which is worn inside out with loops showing is most accurate.
* A 2" (50mm)webbing belt with loops added is permissible.
* The belt contains 5 vertical loops, made from similar weave and color fabric, for mini-flares on both sides of the belt. There are 10 total mini-flare loops on the belt.
* The mini-flares are made of metal or other materials that, when finished, have a metallic silver or silver-grey appearance.
* The mini flares should feature ridges or barbs similar to push-in hose connectors.

Boots:

Required:

* The boots are an above the ankle black or dark brown boot with round toe and conservative heel. The boot is leather appearance, and normal grain pattern is acceptable. (These boots are shorter than Jackboots, which are described as mid-calf. Language closer to "ankle boots" will match seller descriptions better. Other standards list them as dark brown Combat Boots, which is the right height and another option we may want to use to match existing standards and allow for item reuse. I have also added dark brown as a color so that boots from other costumes can be reused.)
* The boots have two leather appearance front flaps starting at the top front of the boot, moving down to approximately mid-foot.
* Bottom flap of boot has screen-accurate buckle. The buckle's bail (wire piece) is attached with a loop of leather sewn into the flap. The box parts of the buckle are black and the wire parts are silver
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

G'nott sH'urr wrote:
when i was seeing a podiatrist he told me our feet get bigger/ wider as we age. Mine have!!!

Anyway, back on target:

The parts in orange from the V 2.0 proposal, are what we need to finalize. Its not much, but we do need to come to a consensus:

Belt- can it be inside to hold up the pants?
Boots: the laces (if any) would be covered. Would a lace up boot be allowed?
And the final bit, is using the term screen acccurate: can we/ should we use that vs. the heavy text desciption that the Legion currently favors.


Those three issues seem to be the last of the items to finalize. I just got a greenscreen system today, so better pictures are in order, once we make a determination.




The references do not show belt loops so that means the belt is worn outside/on top of the belt loops. It sucks because I would love to wear my PLCE belt the same way I do for my Signals Intelligence Technician but is not what the references show.

I do not think we should use the term screen accurate because it is not clear what it would mean. Do we mean VHS screen accurate, Laser Disk screen accurate, Blue Ray screen accurate, or 4K screen accurate? The better technology gets the higher quality references we will get. I prefer the description in combination with photos.

Combat boots with laces should also be allowed if the laces are covered up correctly and not visible.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just realized that I was not paying enough attention to the name that we gave this costume. We probably have to rename it from "Alliance Duty Pilot" to "New Republic Duty Pilot". The Player only plays one mission as a Rebel Alliance pilot during the prologue. The Prologue is right after the destruction of Alderaan and you protect refugees from Alderaan from an attack of the Empire. Then the game jumps 4 years ahead. Vanguard Squadron is a Squadron of the New Republic and not the Rebel Alliance. The pilots with the flight tech gear show up when you become a member of Vanguard Squadron, so our pilot should be a New Republic pilot.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 2:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tend to agree with the points above, which is the reason I wanted to bring them up.

I have mulled the name. I am not a game player so I dont know what era this is other than what i see for equipment, but to me this is a duty pilot. A duty pilot flies here and there, doing support work.

New Republic Duty Pilot? New Republic Staff Pilot? Im not married to any name at this point, so Im certainly open.

Patricia you can make a thin belt out of thin webbing and use a small buckle to hold your pants up. I made one for my RFT , and its hidden under my pistol belt.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

G'nott sH'urr wrote:
I tend to agree with the points above, which is the reason I wanted to bring them up.

I have mulled the name. I am not a game player so I dont know what era this is other than what i see for equipment, but to me this is a duty pilot. A duty pilot flies here and there, doing support work.

New Republic Duty Pilot? New Republic Staff Pilot? Im not married to any name at this point, so Im certainly open.

Patricia you can make a thin belt out of thin webbing and use a small buckle to hold your pants up. I made one for my RFT , and its hidden under my pistol belt.




The terms New Republic Duty Pilot or New Republic Staff Pilot would both work. We just have to choose one.


I use one of those thin webbing belts with my female desert trooper. Unfortunately, this pilot does not have any pouches that I can use to connect the thin inner belt with the wider outer belt so that the outer belt does not move around a lot.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2021 3:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

im going to work on the propoosal tomororw at work. My home monitor is big, but the text is SO SMALL on this forum that I just struggle to read it expecially when its orange on a grey background.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just found the game files for this costume.

GALLERY: https://imgur.com/gallery/U1nyJ92


Items of interest:

* British roll-pin buckle on PLCE belt
* Gloves are all black and have woven back with leather palm (mechanic style)
* Boots are black dyed leather. They appear to be a Cassian Andor style pattern.
* Pants have elastic hem at ankle








More images in GALLERY: https://imgur.com/gallery/U1nyJ92
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice find Sam!
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kievan Mereel wrote:
Just found the game files for this costume.

GALLERY: https://imgur.com/gallery/U1nyJ92


Items of interest:

* British roll-pin buckle on PLCE belt
* Gloves are all black and have woven back with leather palm (mechanic style)
* Boots are black dyed leather. They appear to be a Cassian Andor style pattern.
* Pants have elastic hem at ankle

More images in GALLERY: https://imgur.com/gallery/U1nyJ92



I love the images that you posted because it shows what the costume supposed to look like in real life but they should not be used as references for the CS. The CS should be about what we can see in the game and we cannot see some of those details. For instance, in the game, the closere flap of the boots looks like one large flap whereas in Rogue One or your images the closure has two smaller flaps instead of one large one. If we use the NPCs as our main references, we see even fewer details than what we can see from the multiplayer pilot.

You can compare it to the vent (tube stripes) on the helmets of the Stormtroopers in ANH. We know that they are supposed to be vents similar to the indention on the Stormtroopers helmets in Rogue One but they are decals or painted in the movie. So if you want to create a Stromtrooper from ANH they have to be decals or painted and you cannot use a Rogue One helmet.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well,

Ok. I sure do wish she had this before I wasted all that money buying stuff.

Ive replaced my gloves twice now to get the gloves we discussed in the standard, Im not changing (*in other words buying) boots other than what Ive already invested in in buying the leather slab, buying two sets of printed buckles and putting those on. Im also not going to carve up my pants and put elastic on them.

So, thats where we are.

Someone else can take over the monetary interest in getting this built.
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