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Belt Buckle - British Ministry of Defense (MOD) plate

 
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:08 pm    Post subject: Belt Buckle - British Ministry of Defense (MOD) plate Reply with quote

I think I found the exact original prop of the flat buckle used by the Rogue One troopers, Cassian Andor, and Hoth Trench Troopers.



It is called a "Ministry of Defense plate" or MOD plate and looks to be the perfect size, has the curved side edges, and the belt loops. It makes sense that it is regular issue British surplus.




https://uniformstorelondon.com/buckle-mod-plate-metal-plain-chrome-buckle-r249-837-p.asp

https://www.cadetdirect.com/mod-plate-and-catch

https://www.survivalaids.com/belts-ceremonial-flags/belts/belt-plates-and-lockets/british-forces-type-mod-plate-with-catch

https://www.wyedeanstores.com/buckles-lockets/army-silver-brass-belt-buckle-locket
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dont Think that it this one.
In some pictures you can see one side it is sewn on the Belt.
The other side of the Belt have some holes and there is a little hook in the inner side of the Belt. It is like Imperial officer belts.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Ministry of Defense plate" or MOD belt buckle was not used in Rogue One. It was only used in The Empire Strikes Back. If you compare the two belt buckles that they are different. The belt strap is feed through the metal loops of the MOD belt buckle. That leaves so some space between the fabric belt strap and the metal of the belt buckle that we see in ESB.

In Rogue One there is no visible space. That means that the fastener or metal loops are hidden behind the metal belt buckle. I think that Bastian is correct and that the Rebel buckle is similarly constructed as the Imperial belt buckle.







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PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This Image will shown what i want to say.




there are 2 holes to fit the size of the Belt with and without Jacket


Sewn sides of the Belt to the Buckle






so i think its a Buckle like this
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent analysis!
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2021 6:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those are great references, Bastian. Thank you for posting them.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2021 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thats cool! we have the typical Tandy leather buckle that does not have the swinging belt mount, its just welded on (and breaks). Where can we source this style of buckle?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2021 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The hinge mounts for the strap are also spot welded in this design, so unless it is reinforced with additional weld (or JB Weld perhaps), it will also fail.

The eyelets are also from Tandy (look like antique brass color to me), but you need the tool to install them (not a big deal).

I will use these reference photos to get my belt sorted out for sure!
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2021 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Which belt does the buckle go on?

I thought it looked like a British type 58 pattern worn inside out, but now I'm convinced that it isn't.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When i see people using the officer buckles they often look too big, the belt should be the same width as the buckle. the typical blanks do come in 2 sizes. But the big one is too big and the small one is too narrow.

Is there a blank we can recommend that's the right size?

MunshkinFC its the PLCE webbing belt inside out.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trim the larger one down to the correct size.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ID10T wrote:
Trim the larger one down to the correct size.


I don't know how to do that and wouldn't know what to use or where to start - It would be great if someone were to detail that on the forum though, it would give me the option to try.

its about giving people options if we can, so a buying option and a how to option.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IF you don't have power tools, you just cover the top with black permanent marker, to stop the glare. Then carefully measure and scratch guide lines into the black marker for cutting (much more accurate than drawing cut lines), and then cut with a hack saw, just outside your guide lines.

Then, file back to the guide lines, and smooth all the edges with files and sand paper.

When I made the RFT buckle, with the clipped corners, I used this method, but I did have power tools for cleanup after trimming in my case...

The surface of the buckle can be done with probably 400 or 600 grit paper, using a small circular pattern, to randomize it. On my RFT buckle, I used a guide box (but can be done without if you're really careful) to create very straight sanding lines across the length of the buckle.

Once happy with the surface finish, apply greeblies and seal with matte clear spray.

Alternatively, you could make the buckle as a "cover" to be epoxied to the top of the smaller buckle blank.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2021 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's great Jim

It would be really great to get all the resources and tutorials organised this year. We have some fab guides and really good info that sometimes can get a bit lost in discussion.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2021 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds good!
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