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Standards Revision: Ceremonial Leia

 
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 10:10 am    Post subject: Standards Revision: Ceremonial Leia Reply with quote

The following changes were proposed by Princess Liz Fett. This discussion will remain open for at least two weeks or until the membership reaches a consensus on changes.

Princess Liz Fett wrote:
Here is my draft for updated standards (changes written in red):

1. White A-line floor-length gown covered in semi-sheer, soft, non-shiny fabric with an empire waistline. The gown has a distinctive inverted v-seam that begins about 2-3 inches below the neckline. The inverted v-seam is cut on a straight edge and is not curved. Above the inverted v seam is a diagonal pleat that begins from the center of the neckline and descends diagaonally to the left side of the bust. T Gown should be 2 layers, undergown of white clingy fabric and over-gown of white semi-sheer fabric. The gown has a short train of the over layer fabric that should trail at least 4-5 inches on the floor.
2. The gown has wings that descend over the sides of the gown over the arms. The wings are cut in the front at knee and the wings reach the floor in the back. There should be no seams at the shoulder connecting the wings; instead, the wings and bodice are made from one piece. The wings should be tacked down in the back to cover the back of the arms.
3. Belt is silver firm, non-shiny leather or leather-like material with slight “V” shape that is placed between the waist and hips (at the naval level.) It has 7-8 metal pieces on it, 6-7 elongated octagonal matching with one pentagon shape in the center front. Belt pieces should be spaced according to the wearer’s waist measurement or additional plates identical to the 6 octagonal plates may be added for an even-spaced look (though 7-8 plates total are preferred and no less than 7 plates allowed). A gray elastic strip on the back of the belt connecting the belt is optional.
4. A necklace with 1 inch silver squares is worn on the neck. Down the center of each silver square piece is a hollow groove. The square pieces should be three-dimensional and not flat.
5. A silver cuff bracelet is worn on the right wrist. The center of the bracelet has a cut groove down the center, much like the necklace square pieces.
6. Silver dress shoes up to a 2” heel (2” recommended).
7. Hair is pulled back at the crown of the head into a large braided bun with a long braid descending from it. The long braid should reach down the lower back and have at least 10-12 inches of loose hair at the bottom.

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1. Medal of Yavin

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I won't take a detailed look at the references now, but regarding the train I think 4-5 inches are way too little and would look flimsy. I think around 12"-16" or 30-40 cm would be a much better length.

As for the unbraided part of the hair, I'd be happy if there were at least 12 cm of unbraided hair. 12" is, after all, 30 cm, which is a long minimum length, imo. And it's hard to really tell where the braid stops being braided in the movie due to it being a gradual thing, whereas most people will secure theirs at a particular length with a hair band to keep it from unbraiding itself during trooping. So, I'm looking at this from a practical viewpoint.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2016 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is this for the Senatorial Leia or the Ceremonial Leia?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2016 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ceremonial... the title is wrong. Embarassed I'll poke Jenna to have it changed.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2016 3:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And fixed. Embarassed I'll blame my dyslexia on that one. Haha.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2016 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The V description seems confusing to me

I say the bracelet detail should be recommended but optional
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2016 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The description for the necklace detail is confusing as well. 'Hollow groove" is not what I think of when I look at the necklace. Could we not say something more along the lines "in a style similar to the necklace in the movie"?
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2016 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dup post

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 25, 2016 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The V is an inverted v-seam on the bodice (basically an upside down V.) This seam is mistakenly curved on many costumes when it should be straight.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2016 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We'll try and rewrite so it's less confusing. Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2016 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Princess Liz Fett wrote:
The V is an inverted v-seam on the bodice (basically an upside down V.) This seam is mistakenly curved on many costumes when it should be straight.


Yes, I've made this dress, I think I understand what you are trying to say but if I'm a new person trying to figure this wording out it's not really clear to me.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2016 12:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Swfangirl wrote:
I say the bracelet detail should be recommended but optional


I agree. There are decent sources to buy a passable necklace, but I haven't found anything for the bracelet and it's a pain and a half to make.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Noted. Smile I'll see if I can't find the time to rewrite this over new years, and then post up the new revision.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2017 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, so this ended up being a complete rewrite as that turned out to be easier than working with the existing standard. I've looked at what Liz has suggested as well as the rest of you, and tried to make sure everything keeps consistent with the references while avoiding turning it into a wall of text. Smile

So here is the new standard:

Ceremonial Leia


1. A white A-line ankle to floor length gown with two layers.
a. Inner layer consist of a sleeveless, ankle length opaque gown with a deep and wide U cut neckline.
b. Outer layer consist of ankle to floor length semi-sheer gown, of a matte chiffon (or similar) fabric. The gown has a train that should be around 12”-16”/30-40 cm long, and the same deep and wide U cut neckline as the inner gown. No visible stitching along the neckline.
c.There are two wing-like sleeves attached to the front of the outer gown in the same material as the rest of the outer gown. They form a distinct inverted V under the bust and go in a straight line down and out to the sides. The sleeves meet in the middle of the neckline with a small pleat that runs diagonally to the left side. The sleeves can be tacked down along the side seam under the arm, front to back, keeping the back of it in place. From the knees and down they are cut so they are knee length in front and about angle to floor length at their longest.

2. The belt is silver and firm leather or a similar material with a soft V curve in front. There can be a white, wide elastic in the back or it can close in the same way as the senatorial belt. There are minimum nine (9) metal pieces on it; eight (Cool elongated octagonal matching with one (1) pentagon shape in the center front. They should be spaced evenly and closely, and additional octagonal pieces should be added to achieve the look if necessary. The pieces have a metal button in the middle around 1”/2.5 cm wide. The belt sits at naval level.

3. A silver necklace with 1”/2.5 cm squares. The necklace should sit closely to the throat. Each square has a 'valley' in the middle and should closely resemble what is seen on the screen.
The original is a Lapponia design by Björn Weckström called Planetoid Valleys.

4. A silver bracelet worn on the right wrist. The bracelet should be wide and have the same proportions as the one seen on screen.
The original is a Lapponia design by Björn Weckström called Darina's Bracelet.

5. Silver dress shoes with a 1”-2”/2.5-5 cm wide heel. The toe should be rounded, not pointed.

6. Hair is pulled back at the crown of the head into a large braided bun with a long braid descending from it. The long braid must be thick and reach down to the lower back and preferably go past bum. It must have at least 5”/12 cm of loose hair at the bottom, preferably more.


Optional:
1. Medal of Yavin.
2. Red lipgloss.
3. Light pink eye shadow and rouge.



Notes:
The whole dress is now under one point, but divided into sections. Each accessory has its own point.
The number of belt plates have been changed after carefully looking at reference. The plates sit more closely on the ceremonial belt than they do on the senatorial. You can find references here: http://www.senate.rebellegion.com/?portfolio=princess-leia-organa-ceremonial-gown
I've added in notes about the original design for the necklace and bracelet.
Makeup is added under optional.


And a question out of curiosity. I'm not a native English speaker, and where we always use 'gown' I would normally use 'dress' as that is the only one I learnt in school as a translation for our word and thus it is more natural for me. Any other non-native English speakers, who found the word 'gown' strange upon encountering it here? I do believe costuming was the first time I saw the use of the word 'gown' and I wonder if there are words that are causing confusion and if we could do something about it.
(And for the record, I've gotten used to 'gown' now, but it's still not what I think of when I make the mental translation, it's just become encoded along with the whole costuming aspect).
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This topic has run for two weeks with no comments on the revised standard. The discussion has been moved to the detachment. Smile
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