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Early Rebellion SpecForces as separate RL branch

 
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 7:54 am    Post subject: Early Rebellion SpecForces as separate RL branch Reply with quote

http://www.forum.rebellegion.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=88630

I think the nature and rising popularity of early Rebellion era SpecForces could warrant their own branch (please, don't call it a Detachment) under the RL flag, on par with RAID.

Funnily enough, the RAID Charta only encompasses OT Troopers which the SpecForces as seen in Rogue One are clearly not.

What do our fellow SpecForces Commandos think about this?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just my personal opinion, but...the RAID Charter was approved long before Rogue One was conceived and obviously prior to there being SpecForces characters in any films. It would seem that a revision to the RAID charter might make more sense, given the increased popularity of this costume.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Troopers are troopers. Boots-on-the-ground, infantry, all of them.

If we're going to split RAID once, why not keep going? Would the Endor Rebel Troopers be considered the same as the R1 "Special Forces"? They served a very similar role. Are the Yavin Ceremonial Guards really troopers. Should the Rebel Fleet Troopers be redefined as anti-shipboarding defense.

I don't see their "rising popularity" justifying splitting them off. The Charter should be updated to include R1-esque wording, rather than spilt them off into their own Detachment. Yes, it would be a detachment as none of the other costume types in RAID have their own "branch". The Charter is a living document.

Again... Troopers are troopers. Boots-on-the-ground, infantry, all of them.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TrooperPX wrote:
Troopers are troopers. Boots-on-the-ground, infantry, all of them.

If we're going to split RAID once, why not keep going? Would the Endor Rebel Troopers be considered the same as the R1 "Special Forces"? They served a very similar role. Are the Yavin Ceremonial Guards really troopers. Should the Rebel Fleet Troopers be redefined as anti-shipboarding defense.

I don't see their "rising popularity" justifying splitting them off. The Charter should be updated to include R1-esque wording, rather than spilt them off into their own Detachment. Yes, it would be a detachment as none of the other costume types in RAID have their own "branch". The Charter is a living document.

Again... Troopers are troopers. Boots-on-the-ground, infantry, all of them.


I agree with all of these points
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the Charter, published on 3 December 2007 (http://www.forum.rebellegion.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10429)
really was a living document, it would have been updated long ago.

It talks about OT Troopers only, doesn't even mention the possibility of future troops.

Calling it a Detachment, by the way, is technically wrong. I can see why it was called RAID as in "raid".
If the Charter gets updated, it might as well get updated all the way.

That's the beauty with management systems. You need to take care of them all the time.

I still think OT Troopers should keep their own organisation and other eras be allowed their own.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Charter doesn't include Resistance troopers either

They aren't even part of the Rebel Alliance, the RAID charter might not have specific wording for Rogue one troopers but The Rebel Alliance Infantry detachment is where the Rebel alliance troopers from rogue one belong, the name deserves an update to include the Resistance troopers as they have nowhere to belong
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TrooperPX wrote:
Troopers are troopers. Boots-on-the-ground, infantry, all of them.

If we're going to split RAID once, why not keep going? Would the Endor Rebel Troopers be considered the same as the R1 "Special Forces"? They served a very similar role. Are the Yavin Ceremonial Guards really troopers. Should the Rebel Fleet Troopers be redefined as anti-shipboarding defense.

I don't see their "rising popularity" justifying splitting them off. The Charter should be updated to include R1-esque wording, rather than spilt them off into their own Detachment. Yes, it would be a detachment as none of the other costume types in RAID have their own "branch". The Charter is a living document.

Again... Troopers are troopers. Boots-on-the-ground, infantry, all of them.


Yup. I think the Charter does need to be updated. RAID is stronger as one, and not fragmented.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What good is a supposedly important document if it is not taken care of?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it ain't broke don't fix it. Until just now there has been no need to update the charter.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Charter amendment forum for those with an axe to grind:

http://www.forum.rebellegion.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=196

RAID was set up by the LAC.....
any additions or subtractions can be brought up to the LAC...

I personally do not see a need for a separate Detachment for RO Troopers....
and..
since Rogue One was a stand alone movie, there will not be a lot more new interest in RO Troopers that I can see as there will be no prequels or sequels to Rogue One.


also...
from what I have seen over the years....the focus will shift fast to the latest and the greatest......


just my two credits...I of course could be sadly mistaken.


If, in the future there become a whole lot of RO Troopers....that discussion could commence at that time,
but for now...
I have not seen a whole lot of interest in non-RFT RO Troopers
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This has nothing to do with an axe to grind.
In fact, I think that a cavalier attitude towards the rules and regulations of what some may consider the premier international Star Wars costume club for Rebel impressions is not the right way to go.

What else is outdated or plain wrong in the various charters?
I have no idea.
However, there are I don't know how many members around the globe you expect to follow the charters.
Or maybe you don't, because if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Then deep six the charter and fly things by the seat of your pants.

Anyway, I feel that if you want to have rules and charters and all that, keep them updated.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your assertions are unwarranted and inappropriate, Thorn_Korrd. There is a process to submit recommended changes to the charter and you were given this information. If you feel that strongly, then submit your idea(s) through the proper procedure.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Again....Detachments are NOT something handled by another detachment.

You can petition the LAC if you feel that a Detachment for RO Troopers is warranted.


IF you have 3 RO Trooper costumes in your Base...feel free to start a RAID Squad for RO Troopers only.


Most of us who have positions here at the RL are already too busy just keeping up with the responsibilities we already have. I can spend 2 hours a day on RL business and don't have the time to take on more challenges. These are not paid positions. Most of the volunteers here are already too busy to take on more responsibilities.

The charter has been written, re-written, amended and all changes discussed and are voted on.

There is no right or wrong in the charter...some people may find items in the charter as being "wrong"...but that is an opinion.
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