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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:54 am    Post subject: 'Unreasonable' standards Reply with quote

The issue of "unreasonable" standards has come quit a bit over the last year or two. It seems that a lot of folks think the judging system needs to be revamped, that LCJ's are making up their own standards, etc.

Eventually, I would like to solve this problem via charter amendments. As with other issues I am interested in, I am not foolish enough to assume I know what the problems or answers are, so I am going to do research first.

I was the Legion's first LMO and was an LCJ for many years. Most everyone who has ever held those positions, or their equivalent in the 501st, Mando Mercs, etc. is familiar with the way people respond to rejection. Almost everyone who's costume is rejected thinks the standards are outrageous, sometimes people who were rejected will stretch the truth on why they were rejected when they complain publicly.
For many, telling someone no makes you a jerk or even a bully, an elitist (I hate that word).

So I sympathize with the current judges in creating this thread, and I know this topic will unleash some hostility towards them, not just constructive criticism.


However, over the last year or so I've seen quite a few costumes that seemed to be high quality (to me) but were rejected over minutiae like seams being slightly off, pockets being off by inches (but not really), etc. Locally, it seems that most every costume gets rejected at least once or twice, and many bases are practically ignoring approved status.
It seems that even expert costumers and professional seamstresses with decades of experience, dozens or even hundreds of costumes under their belt, are getting rejected over the tiniest of details. Even people who argued for high standards are saying "enough is enough."
Concerns over this now crop up every year during the annual elections regularly during various discussions on the other forums in between elections. Even current members of the council have commented on some of these rejections on Facebook.


Ordinarily, a rejected member should appeal their rejection to the LMO, but this appears to be a systemic problem and an open discussion needs to be had to get a clear idea of what is really going on before attempting any kind of solution.

Is this a Legion wide problem or is it confined to specific costume categories or detachments?
Is this a problem with the CRL's themselves, or are judge's adding additional criteria?

Let's keep this topic civil and focused: Post a rejection letter and highlight the elements you think are unreasonable and why. NOTHING ELSE.
Please do not include the name of the judge; the internet has gone crazy lately and we don't people who believe they are doing the best job they can do to get harassed, trolled, or worse.
  • Don't insult anyone.
  • Don't post your opinions on what you think the LCJ's motives are.
  • Hold off on your proposed solutions.
  • Save your theories on what you think the problem is for later.
  • Please refrain from commenting on or rebutting someone else's post, even if you're the LCJ.
Just the facts.


This is just the first step.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am no LCJ but as BCO i see alot of the back and forth between members/prospective members and the judges.

Things I have noticed:
1. I have noticed rejections based on things not in the CRL. An example being a pilot being rejected over the stitching of their ESB jacket when it isnt even in the CRL.

2. Judges finding issues, when the corrections are made, whole new issues are brought up. Why werent those brought up in the first place?

3. Costumes with No CRLs, especially for yet to premiere films. I’ve seen some incredible costumes being made with very little reference to go on. However i have seen rejections of costumes over minor things because 1 piece of promotional material was found that isnt found easily used against someone. I ask how that is fair is someone has it 99% there and only that 1 judge seems to have that reference photo and not shared?

4. Judge communication needs to improve. I’ve seen where an application was picked up by a judge but they dont let the person know for a week or more. Some acknowledgement that it was received and will be looked at should be standard.

5. Lastly, another issue I see is how some judges deliver the news. I’ve witnessed a judge simple say ‘you have to do it all over again’ as the note of changes. No guidance, no encouragement, just being dismissive. I’ve seen people rise above that and work to get approved, but many just give up.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll start by quoting the charter (Article II), a small reminder to everyone Wink I'm sure it will be useful for some of the debates.

Quote:
In addition to using the costume standards as a starting point for judging costumes, costumes are also judged by comparing them to the source material (that is, the costumes seen in the costumes of the Star Wars universe.

In clear, it's not because it's not in the standard that it can be required.

The problem is also that in the charter, just above the previous quote, you have
Quote:
Costume Standards Master List are meant to be used as a guide for building Rebel Legion approved costumes

And some standards are really poor there or misleading. I'll take example of the ERT standard:
http://newsite.rebellegion.com/endor-commando-rebel-soldier-trooper/


Take the gloves, I bought some that where looking good, before to get access to better quality and see a topic seeing the one I bought where not ok... while they perfectly match the standards.




As new BCO, I also got some complaints already from some members. I'll take 2 examples:
- We have a Jyn Erso who was refused
- I checked with her during a con (she was wearing the costume, so I could see directly every details, flip some part and see lining or even how the fabric reacts to movement), and honestly, in first approach, while I'm member since many many years and I consider myself as quite specialist of the Star Wars costume... I didn't saw anything else than Jyn Erso costume... There was only one concern which was the weathering that I found too light, but that was not even a problem for the judge (and indeed it is less that I expected in the movie).
- Then, I continued my check by taking good reference pictures and checked again. Here I found one or two little things. Like boot buckles that would need to be dark and not silvery.
- Finally after the con she sent me the list of the judges of things to change... and all are really minor details except 1, which is covering tattoos on the arm.
Indeed most of those details are written in the CRL, however as said they are details. And for some, I couldn't even find a clear source from the movie or the books I have, where you can see that. I'll take example of the stitching lines of the vest, they are supposed to be hand made and not with a machine... I'm still wondering from where does this come. This is the kind of abusive requirements (not standards, requirements).

Also, as I often say, many people like to always remind how charity is an important part of Rebel Legion... well I'm pretty sure a kid in an hospital would absolutely not care if the stitching is hand made or done with a machine. Nor if the boot buckles are black or silver. And I'm even pretty sure they would not care about the tattoos on the arms Wink
I'll take the example of the latest Colin Furze/Xrobots video with BB-9E and a TIE silencer full size... Do the kids in the video seems to care a minute about the facts the TIE is far from being perfectly accurate ? Smile



So, now if you follow the Galactic Senate forum, and our standards revision you might say "But Thibaut, you always go for very small details when discussing those standards ! It doesn't fit what you just said".
Wrong, it does. The thing is, for me, the standard are supposed to be the second quote I did, a master list and a guide in the building of accurate costume. As such, a standard, by itself, can't be "abusive" or "unreasonable". For me it is important to include as much details as possible in a standard... for the people who are WILLING to get the most accurate as possible.
However, the REQUIREMENTS, should not be so high, and more permissive. It is the requirements that can be "abusive" or "unreasonable", not the standard. Specially when the standard is really really poor in details and description (again, see the example of the ERT).

To finish, I focused the word WILLING to remind that we are not all the same, not everybody join the RL for the same thing, or as the same idea of cosplay/costuming. Just on that, people disagree if they do cosplay or costuming... As such, people and judges should keep in mind that not everyone wants to aim for the perfect accuracy. So for me a 80% accuracy for example should be enough, with standard detailed as much as possible for people willing to go for top accuracy.

I'm not talking about putting back a Formal/Informal status. But just to get what is enough, not to be abusive. From that point of view it get close to the 501st system with multiple levels of validation, with the basic and then the level 2 or 3 for some costumes. Please note however that we should not have level 2 or 3 of validation, just the basic level and then other stuff is written as information. Level 2-3 just create this feeling of elitism to me. Wink


Thank you for reading me in a such long post Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can either of you speak to those members about sharing their rejection notices, either themselves or is you can share them on their behalf.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of the major problem is how inaccurate some CRLs are. For example:

I run the Ahsoka Tano Cosplay Support Group along with 4 other RL approved Ahsokas. Our group contains most of the RL approved Ahsoka. And I cannot tell you how many times we had to guide people because the CRL were wrong. An example is how the CRL for the CW S3-5 Ahsoka says the bracers have to be the same material as the tunic. This is wrong, and no Ahsoka has been approved with fabric braces. It has to be leather or leather like material to be approvable. They are the same bracers as S1-2 Ahsoka and the CRL for this version does say leather or leather like material, so why is the CRL for S3-5 different?

This is just ONE exemple among many I've seen.

CRLs need to be clearer. I know it's a pipe dream to think of making CRL like the 501st, but honestly I feel like it would help a lot of future members to at least provide a clear and accurate list of requirements that is not too vague and not overly elaborated. And take down the CRLs that are years old and inaccurate until they are revamped.

I also agree that a level system like the 501st and like Ritin Kornas suggested is a good idea. For exemple: you can get a Kylo Ren costume approved level 1 without using the 40$/yrd screen accurate fabric. It still looks good and high quality, it's still Kylo Ren. It works.

Another problem is costumes with little reference. I know a member who had to argue for almost 2 years to get his costume approved. The costume had little and contradicting references material and no CRL, and this member had to go with what the judge said was right even if he brought forward evidence that the details on the costume he had were right. This needs to stop.

There is a lot that needs to be worked on. Looking at older costumes, I feel like we went from 'approving anything that looks like the character' to 'being so picky that we don't approve people unless we found at least one thing wrong with their costume' (this is an exaggeration but you get the point)
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Benae Quee!

I am sending you this email concerning your
costume "Kaydel Ko Connix".

Good morning,

At this time, the judges feel we can really not approve as
TLJ.

Even for TFA, the back of the jacket should really have
princess seams and a horizontal strap and buckle across
the back as seen in this photo:

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I would just like to say that I do not blame the judge, I've been one, it's not easy. However, there used to be allowances for certain things. Maybe things have changed drastically in the 15 years I've been a member. This is my first decline for a costume in that time.

The photo that was provided to me is very helpful, but, it is the only photo I've ever seen clearly of the back, even after watching the movie several times. I spent a month researching, getting help from two other people, we all came up with the same reference photos and were not able to see the details of the seams and belt on the back. So I went ahead and made a perfectly fitted jacket, of garment quality, to how I saw it appear in the movie and in stills.

I think that being declined over something as small as a missing seam line and a tiny belt detail on the back is a bit extreme. I'd like to also note that the actor in this shot is bent over, causing the jacket to pull up. It almost looks like that belt detail was made more to fit several jackets to several different sized actors, much faster and easier than tailoring each to every individual. It looks like it would most likely be hidden UNDER the belt when that actor stands back up and pulls the coat back down to where it should be.

Here is an example of photos I had for reference, since there are still so very few out there of the resistance officer jackets. I made mine based upon what I saw on screen, mixed with the photo from Vanity Fair of Billie Lourd and a random Instagram photo from a fan site.
Build Page - https://imageevent.com/benaequee/costumes/completed/starwarscostumes/kaydelkoconnixtljresistancejacket











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These are tiny details that can discourage new members, and put a sour taste in the mouth of long time members like me. Trust me, if I had seen that photo before I started drafting a pattern, those details would have been there. That's how I am, I love details (it's part of my business). However, I think they are tiny enough, that they are not an important part of how the costume looks overall. It would be different if I was missing the collar or didn't bother to make a flap style front. Those two tiny details on the back of the costume should be optional or suggested, but not a requirement for approval.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This was my General Leia Organa from TFA submission (also my first submission to RL)

"Hello Lipstkadvntr!

I am sending you this email concerning your costume "General
Leia Organa".

We have reviewed your costume submission, and have a few
concerns.

First of all, your costume fits you very well, and appears
to be a of good construction! You hairstyle is very nice, too.

However, your boots do not meet standard. Leia's boots are
solid brown, as shown in this reference photo.

http://www.command.rebellegion.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/IMG_0357-172x300.jpg

Your jumpsuit is not the proper shade of sage green, it is
way too bright green and needs to be a a muted grayish-sage
color. It is also lacking the pocket on the left sleeve.
Standard: "The left sleeve has a vertical pocket
approximately 3 inches wide and 5 inches long."

The main problem is the construction fo the vest. While the
color and fabric are good, you are missing a few of the
elements of this vest.

There should be a collar, and a double layered yoke. The
yoke extends from the back to the bottom front and is
attached with princess seams. The standard is clear on this:
"The vest has two back pieces, joined together at the center
back, with a one-piece yoke than extends from the shoulder
blades in the back to the hem in front (there are no
shoulder seams), attached with princess seams.

The yoke is not connected to the vest at the arm holes, and
two layers of fabric are visible there."

Reference photos are available here:
http://www.command.rebellegion.com/general-leia-tfa/

The costume standard is here:
http://newsite.rebellegion.com/general-leia-organa/

Further help and information can be found on the Rebel
Commanders Forum. I encourage you to make a Work in
Progress post with photos and ask for help from fellow
costumers/

http://www.forum.rebellegion.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=24"

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My response:

"Hello,

Apologies for not getting back to you sooner, I was working on the adjustments that you sent me.

First, I would like to say that I took more photos of my jumpsuit in natural lighting. I believe that it is the correct color and not as bright as the convention center lighting made it appear. That being said, I have added the pocket to the left sleeve with the screen accurate three channels.

http://tinypic.com/m/k057r4/4

As far as the vest, I have completely rebuilt it from fabric that I custom dyed to match my research materials. I have added the collar and adjusted the shoulders to no longer have a seam. Please note that I wear a wig for this character and that my natural hair is in the photos. I would always wear my wig in costume.

http://tinypic.com/m/k057qt/4

http://tinypic.com/m/k057qv/4

http://tinypic.com/m/k057qw/4

http://tinypic.com/m/k057qx/4

This brings me to the final thing that you sent me notes on, my boots. While the screen cap from the film you sent me does make the boots appear brown, I have research and experience that tell me they are not.

In this photo from the The Force Awakens visual dictionary it is clear that the uppers on the boots are not leather, but suede. It is also clear they are closer in color to the jumpsuit.

http://tinypic.com/m/k057up/4

Another piece of research I drew from was the original rendering of the costume:

http://tinypic.com/m/k057ur/4

While the boots that wind up in the film are not quite as green as the rendering, being a costume designer myself, I know that if the entire realized design on screen is as close as it is, these boots would be also. Being custom made, the costume designer would have tried to stay as true to their vision as possible.

Obviously, I understand if additional adjustments need to be made and would ask for an extension if there are any further issues.

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To which I then got this response:

"Hi...

It all looks good except for the boots. I appreciate that you've researched the costume, but we have done research, too. Several people were involved in the creation of the standard, and they all agreed on brown boots.
Yes, the different texture is there, and the suede will be fine, but it will have to be brown. Every screen cap we have shows them as brown.
The construction of your soft pieces looks outstanding, I really like the plum fabric of the vest. The jumpsuit is a little too green, but you are correct in that it looks a lot better in natural light.
I can extend you another two weeks to make the changes to the boots, then you will be good to go! I will need a new profile/action shot of you in the correct vest with the correct hairstyle.


Thanks for getting back to me!"

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While I agreed with most of the fixes and understand CRL's and standards are created/agreed upon by a group of people, what is the president when research proves the CRL incorrect?
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree about the inconsistencies involved in our costume judging system. I do acknowledge that our costumes need to be "higher-than-normal" standards, but we should not expect perfection. Minor details wrong/missing should not bar them from legion membership. We do not want to seem like elitist. We need to make it easier for people to gain membership, while maintaining our standard. If people are rejected multiple times, they may lose interest and stop the application process.

Another concern I have is what is the criteria being judged on. The 501st has specific, well written standards (for most of their costumes) that costumes are judged on. As long as the costume meets the standard, it is approved - I'm a former GML and did that job for a few years.

Here in the RL, things are a little more "open" and "loose". While we do have standards, they are not written out to the detail they should, and are vague and general in most cases. This makes it VERY difficult for someone building a costume. One LCJ may interpret it one way, and another would see it differently. "Brown Boots" for example, can be interpreted many different ways. People building costumes for our Legion should be able to use the CRL as a checklist to make sure it is up to standard. There should be very little in terms of ambiguity, or "open to interpretation."
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey all,

Thank you for taking the time to explain your frustrations with the standards and current judging process. This is something the Legion Membership team is fully aware of and we are actively working on a plan to make improvements for everyone, both applicants and judges. I haven't posted anything yet in regards to the tasks we are working on because we are still working out the details. This is coming soon and progress on correcting some of this issues will be evident in the early part of next year.

Also I can't stress this enough and it's the reason I volunteered for the LMO role. If you see a problem, figure out a solution, and help make that solution happen. It's fine to have these types of discussions because they do lead to some valuable insight but most the time they fizzle out and die because it is expected that someone else will fix the issue. It's through positive action where we will see positive change.This is our club, it is what we put into it collectively.

Trust me I hear the complaints, I get all the screenshots of social media negativity. I also read every email sent through the forums from the judges to the applicants. We all need to improve in our communication skills, not just judges.

Change doesn't happen overnight, so I ask for your patience as we do our best to correct these issues to make our membership and approval process a more positive experience for everyone.

If you are interested in helping the Legion Membership team in the endeavor to improve the system, don't hesitate to reach out to me. We are going to need a lot of help early next year as we begin to fully address the issues with standards. I have an open door policy and if you have an issue or idea, I'd like to hear it.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have seen issues that relate to changing of costume standards ..

Ex...

I have witness a cosutme standard go up ... a costume gets submitted matchign the current standard

then a month later the costume standard is changed , and letter of rejection based on the new standard is submitted with ... a list of major alterations based ont the new standard , with a note have htese changes made in 3 days , and we will approve , but the new standards directed would never be accoplished in 3 days ....


so if a costume is made to match a stnadard , then afte rthe cosutme is submitted and hte stnadards are changed ... there is no procedure for members matching standards that are altered after the intial applicaiton
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
I appreciate that you've researched the costume, but we have done research, too.


Just to point out that this kind of things should not happen. Specially as charter is clear on that that is a member has reference material indicated something else clearly, then it has to be taken into consideration.

It is the same thing for the story of the costume with no standards needing 2 years... Which BTW should have gone to the LMO instead of staying at judge level in that case Wink


To my previous message, and with the example of the resistance officer submission, I would add the following.
I think this kind of minor details should be optional. I mean, it's not so wrong first. But also, it is basically impossible to add the princess seam without doing again entirely the vest, or most of it.
This would of course cost time, but also potentially money...
Some people will ignore that remarks and don't change and chose to abandon...

But some will not do it by choice, but be constraint to do it, just for financial reason... I've been student too and I know the struggle. In that sens, I find some rejections being elitist from that point of view. :s
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ritin Kornas wrote:
Quote:
I appreciate that you've researched the costume, but we have done research, too.


Just to point out that this kind of things should not happen. Specially as charter is clear on that that is a member has reference material indicated something else clearly, then it has to be taken into consideration.

It is the same thing for the story of the costume with no standards needing 2 years... Which BTW should have gone to the LMO instead of staying at judge level in that case Wink


I would also like to point out that I had no idea that going to the LMO was an option as it was never stated in my emails from the judge. I was just informed of this ability in the last few days by my base command upon receiving fixes on a new submission that I also feel has an incorrect CRL and I have research to back it up.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lipstkadvntr wrote:

I would also like to point out that I had no idea that going to the LMO was an option as it was never stated in my emails from the judge. I was just informed of this ability in the last few days by my base command upon receiving fixes on a new submission that I also feel has an incorrect CRL and I have research to back it up.


Well, people neglects too often to read the charter... I wonder if we should not put a "theoretical test" for the approval, to ensure people have read the charter, or at least the essential parts. With multiple choice to check or not.

Questions like :
a) What does LMO stands for :
1) Legion Marchandising Officer
2) Legion Media Officer
3) Legion Membership Officer

b) How are the elections organized :
1) Base commander is elected every year
2) Base commander is elected once every two years
3) Base commander is elected when at least 5 members of the base request it

c) If I have troubles with another member in my base (feeling offended by his attitude towards me, feeling harassed, etc.), shall I :
1) Contact the Legion Commanding Officer
2) Contact the Captain of the Guard
3) Contact my Base/Outpost Commander
4) Contact the Legion Membership Officer

d) I can participate in a retailers event without Disney Approval if :
1) It's approved by my Base/Outpost commander
2) Our base directly receive a donation to be given to a charity with everything collected during the year
3) Never
4) A donation is made to charity without my base receiving the money
5) I'm paid


And this is not a joke. I wonder if it would not be beneficial...
There is just the problem of language, and as such, we would need translations in many language for people not speaking english. Translations of the "test" but also the charter.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ritin Kornas wrote:
I'll take example of the stitching lines of the vest, they are supposed to be hand made and not with a machine... I'm still wondering from where does this come. This is the kind of abusive requirements (not standards, requirements).


Those are for the vertical lines down the front, and since they are like a dashed line, can't be made by machine. There's only 4 of them, and it's the simplest hand stitch you can do. Just to clarify on that point Smile Jyn does have a LOT of detail in her costume.

Ritin Kornas wrote:
Also, as I often say, many people like to always remind how charity is an important part of Rebel Legion... well I'm pretty sure a kid in an hospital would absolutely not care if the stitching is hand made or done with a machine. Nor if the boot buckles are black or silver.


We are first and foremost a Costuming group, that is our main mission and I don't think we should lower standards by using the "it's all for charity, the kids won't care" view, however the main argument here is not so much difficult standards (and I am one who preaches for high standards to keep our costume quality top notch) but the fact that they are enforced unevenly, and oftentimes people will get mixed messages from judges.
Also, what little differences can the judges let slide? Things on the front of costumes are going to be the most important, and some little details like things on the back or the shoes might need a little more wiggle room, especially in the cases of items that and difficult to procure.

Personally, I think we need to end the practice of approving costumes before a standard is approved. If the first person doing the costume could start a thread with proof of all the points and start a standards discussion, that way if the judges have any info that everyone else doesn't know about can bring it up then, not after someone has completed a costume.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ladysolo14 wrote:
Hey all,

Thank you for taking the time to explain your frustrations with the standards and current judging process. This is something the Legion Membership team is fully aware of and we are actively working on a plan to make improvements for everyone, both applicants and judges. I haven't posted anything yet in regards to the tasks we are working on because we are still working out the details. This is coming soon and progress on correcting some of this issues will be evident in the early part of next year.

Also I can't stress this enough and it's the reason I volunteered for the LMO role. If you see a problem, figure out a solution, and help make that solution happen. It's fine to have these types of discussions because they do lead to some valuable insight but most the time they fizzle out and die because it is expected that someone else will fix the issue. It's through positive action where we will see positive change.This is our club, it is what we put into it collectively.

Trust me I hear the complaints, I get all the screenshots of social media negativity. I also read every email sent through the forums from the judges to the applicants. We all need to improve in our communication skills, not just judges.

Change doesn't happen overnight, so I ask for your patience as we do our best to correct these issues to make our membership and approval process a more positive experience for everyone.

If you are interested in helping the Legion Membership team in the endeavor to improve the system, don't hesitate to reach out to me. We are going to need a lot of help early next year as we begin to fully address the issues with standards. I have an open door policy and if you have an issue or idea, I'd like to hear it.

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Everyone,

Thanks for posting up. I think we all realize there is an issue and we are working to address the failings in the current system. However, we just cannot throw the baby out with the bath water. We must make sure our quality of costumes remain high as well as using them a vehicle for community service and charity. Honestly, this goes hand in hand.

We are working to give greater control of judging to the Bases. Blair has and is donating a great deal of time to upgrade the website to allow these functions. We are moving forward and increasing the number of qualified judges.

Frankly, we are always looking for judges and people to help with this process. We need people to help with the transitions. Again everyone here knows there is problem. However, we are in need of people with talents to help us with this transitions whether as a judge, programmer and other skill sets as needed.

But this is going to require work and people with time to dedicate to this. I urge you to reach out to your LMO team if you have an interest. The quickest way to make a change is to get involved and take action.

Thanks,

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