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My Old Ben Kenobi WIP - finished?

 
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 18, 2015 4:03 pm    Post subject: My Old Ben Kenobi WIP - finished? Reply with quote

Hello everyone!

My name is Christopher and I am from Germany. I had a nice Jedi costume when Revenge of the Sith came out, but i have lost 80-100 pounds since then, so i had to make something new for the new movie. As i am getting older myself and even my beautiful long hair had to be cut, i chose Old Ben Kenobi. I am used to researching and recontructing from medieval reenactment, so i wanted to get as near to the original as possible. My sources are the original trilogy on DVD, behind the scenes pictures, making of videos and pictures from exhibitions. At the moment i have finished the robe and the coat, i will make the belt and order the boots next year.

The robe is made of natural colored Tussah Silk, the structure of the original looks like that. Mine is a bit darker than the original, but that is OK for me, also it should get a bit lighter after a few washing cycles. I spent hours on searching the seams on the robe, there are only a few, but i needed to add hidden seams on shoulders and hips, because the fabric is not wide enough. Two lines from the hips downward seem to indicate gores like on medieval garment, which should also look nicer with the visible yarn path.
I took all the measurements via the rule of three compared to the length of the lightsabers hilt, which i have a stunt replica of. The robe is in new condition, i will add the darning when the fabric is a bit worn out and lighter in color.
Here are some pictures:

http://fs5.directupload.net/images/151212/5ldkt9wo.jpg
http://fs5.directupload.net/images/151212/6r3tulln.jpg
http://fs5.directupload.net/images/151212/2uithnqc.jpg
http://fs5.directupload.net/images/151212/jysmhq8k.jpg

The wrinkles on the cloak indicate a woolen fabric to me, the weaving pattern is visible on those exhibition pictures, and the cloak sometimes appears to be brown, sometimes grey, so i ordered a matching fabric in antique-brown. The hood is a simple rectangle, the body is made from four parts and the arms were sewn on with a sleeve cap. all seams were sewn as flat-felled seams like on the original, the edges are left to fringe.
Here are some pictures. As you can see, all of the robes seams that are different from the original are now invisible:

http://fs5.directupload.net/images/151212/g8jn6byd.jpg
http://fs5.directupload.net/images/151212/on6avppd.jpg
http://fs5.directupload.net/images/151212/ghum8ne4.jpg
http://fs5.directupload.net/images/151212/x28djkof.jpg
http://fs5.directupload.net/images/151212/63oxldx8.jpg


Under that i wear a brown turtle neck shirt and using freeze frame i was also able to find out that beige trousers have to be worn with that. Some boot collectors on the internet found out that the boots worn are Frye Campus 14L, which are still in production, so it should be possible to get some used ones soon. The belt on the pictures is an old army belt, but i am already working on the layout for a screen accurate belt. The lightsaber is a full contact ready stunt saber with aluminum blade, based on Ben Kenobis Stunt Sabers, the covertec clip will be replaced by a D-ring when the new belt is ready. My hair is already turning grey by nature, but in costume i speed that up with white pastels in my hairwax.

It was not my primary goal to join the Rebel Legion, but positive feedback convinced me to present my costume here. It is still a long way to go, but as the main components are ready i hope i can get some good advice for further progress.

So what do you think? How are my chances for joining with this costume?


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2015 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome and good to see the process with the costume. Smile

Your shaping looks of to a good start and it seems you are mindful of the references. I'm wondering about the striped look of your fabric. You say you think the color will wash out with a few washes? I suggest testing that right away and see if it takes out the striped look it currently has.

Since this is an Obi-Wan I'm hoping a moderator will move it to the Obi-Wan forum where it is more likely to be seen by other Obi-Wan costumers.

Best of luck with it.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2015 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you Very Happy

When i ordered the fabric it didn't look that striped, but that can happen with all raw fabrics, especially when ordering online. I made a test with this oxy action washing powder, it contains hydrogen peroxide. I simply mixed some with water and put some leftofer fabric in. The fabric on the left is the original fabric, the one in the middle was after one day and the one on the right after two days.
http://fs5.directupload.net/images/151222/hyt5jzom.jpg
You can see that the darker fibers lose color more quickly. Hydrogen peroxide is used in silk mills and the test fabric was OK, so i think this will be OK. If the whole fabric turns white, it should be no problem to color it with tea, as all fibers should then accept the same amount of color. The original does also seem a little striped in some pictures, so maybe it was made in the same way.

I thought the Jedi forum was the right place, but there really are a lot of sub-forums here. There are also a lot of moderators, so i'm not sure who i should send a pm. Could you tell me?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 27, 2015 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If in doubt, I'd advise to contact the DCO, which is currently Oraculo. Smile

It's not a problem, but it's far more likely the other Obi-Wan costumers will see this is it is moved to the Obi-Wan subforum.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2015 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Lora and LotlBotl

Lora, Thank you for your help Smile.

Lotlbolt, the Trhead was moved to Obi Wan Kenobi forum,

Thank you.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a LOT of information covering the old Ben Kenobi costume in the Jedi section Costume and Prop Making.

Under the "Jedi" section look for posts by me (Ben Kenobi) as well as BobaFuss in the Jedi Tutorials.

Then look under the Section "Obi Wan Kenobi" for posts by me, Ste Waz Sandoli, and Lgtsbr. Under this section I have six threads on just the Belt alone which Lgtsbr and I have collaborated on making a very accurate belt. There is a lot of information that you can use to make your own as well.

Also, look for the costume threads by me and Ste Waz for a ton of details.

Finally you should check out King Textiles in Toronto Canada for raw hand woven silk that both BobaFuss and I used in our screen accurate costumes. It is 56" wide and allows you to make a costume without worry about seam placement. Their price for the silk is very reasonable considering it is hand woven raw silk. They are on the internet and very helpful.

I used U.S.A.WWII army blankets for the outer robe, which is as close to WWII British Army blankets for the movie version as I could get. I had to dye the blankets to get the correct color. French seams are used on the hood around the neck as well as across the top of the head. It provides some stiffness at the top to keep the point in the hood which you will need so the hood doesn't collapse on you while up.

Good luck.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 7:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

An Episode IV Ben Kenobi is the next costume on my list. The hydrogen peroxide laundry detergent idea will come in handy as the raw silk tussah fabric I have is also a bit darker than the screen used one.

Excellent workmanship and patterns there. The cut looks spot on to the real thing.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2016 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am making progress!

Bleaching went fine, it still looks a bit stripy in flash or LED light, but in sunlight it already looks pretty good.

http://fs5.directupload.net/images/160131/83gvt7vw.jpg

I also finished the patches. I didn't cut holes but used emproidering techniques. This looks like the damaged fabric was fixed with darning. I had to redo the left armpit patch three times until it was in the right spot, but i think it is correct now. I enlarged pictures of the patches to life size to take measurements, so i guess this is correct, too. I even have the small patch on the collar below the belt.

http://fs5.directupload.net/images/160131/k4shk7ie.jpg


For the belt i bought a reddish brown 2 inch strap from water buffalo leather with a nice structure and a Tandy buckle blank that i will carry to a shoemaker tomorrow to create the base belt. I will then use the base belt to locate the additional parts. The Ben Kenobi belt threads are a great help for this, there is everything i need in them, thank you for the hint, Paul!

I also found a store that sells original Wehrmacht D-ring belt loops like these in brown leather that should look correct when riveted on.

http://www.militariaandmore.de/WebRoot/Store15/Shops/61636098/5208/9668/BC88/FBB0/A9F9/C0A8/28BB/9BDC/image66_ml.jpeg

I am back at the beginning with the boots. The pictures from the exhibition show Frye Campus 14l boots, but a high definition on set picture shows different boots with a black rubber sole. So i think i will search for some high cut brown engineer boots instead.

http://fs5.directupload.net/images/160131/6jel6xkk.jpg

I am really not sure about the trousers. They can be seen in the movie for a short moment, but i don't know what pattern or material could have been used, but from the crinkles that can be seen on the knee they seem long and wide while the boots are pretty narrow. Maybe they are not important for the costume so i should try the prequel trilogy trousers, but i would be happy for any help here.

http://fs5.directupload.net/images/160131/52gv9ylt.png

I have bought additional fabric for the cloak to make wider sleeves and when they are finished i will start to slowly dye it darker. The fabric looks nice and brown in the yellowish daylight, but could be darker in flash or LED light.

I bought a simple blue Ultrasabers Dominix lightsaber to be able to carry a glowing stick around, this will be replaced by an exact replica at the end of the year.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2016 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For the pants I just use bone colored slacks. I generally use cargo pants because they give me pockets lower down the thigh that I can get to relatively easily while in costume.

FYI - I just recently posted a picture on my Facebook page "Ben Kenobi - Rebel Legion" on about January 21 showing some detail on the boot treads. I'm not saying you need to match the treads but it is interesting. I haven't tried to find out what manufacturer makes those boots with that tread.

I like the idea of embroidering the patches instead of cutting the material.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2016 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe that frye campus boots were used. I just got a used pair on ebay for less than 60 usd shipped. You can buy them new, but I would suggest purchasing a used pair as they are FAR more affordable.

The screen used boots had a vibram sole which has a jagged looking heavy tread. This is is a modern pair, but just to give you an idea of what they look like with the tread.



From what I can tell the boots were not knee high height but likely about mid calf length.



Your costuming is coming along nicely. I like your bleaching technique. Also the patches were false darns likely made with yarn. If you do it right you shouldn't have to cut actual holes in the material. When I can I'll upload a picture of a sample I made to test it for my costume.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 5:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't know there were different options on the soles, the vibram sole could be one possibility. Nice find!
Yes, the boots are not knee high, but higher than standard motorcycling boots or combat boots. The campus 14l is 14.5 inches high without the heel, standard boots just somewhere around 11.5 inches.
Unfortunately it is really expensive to import boots to Germany, so i am looking for either the right model or good ones under 55 dollars shipped. When the vibram sole is not required it will make things a lot easier.

I nearly finished my belt. I used cross multiplication to get all the measurements but it seems i am a bit thinner than Alec Guinness was, as the belt looks a bit compressed compared to the original.
I managed to get four of those Luftwaffe belt loops with D-rings, i am not sure if they are authentic or reproductions, but they smelled really old. The patches were cut from leftover pieces of the belt, that was around 56 inches long. I painted the tandy buckle blank with golden spray paint and tried some artifical weathering, as spray paint doesn't get a patina by itself. I used screen pictures for the shape, not from the exhibition, as patina does change over the years. So it is intended to look like an "R".
The pouch is still an original sized paper dummy for positioning the D-rings, i still have to order leather for it. I will change from Covertec clip to saber hook in october, when my new lightsaber will be ready.

http://fs5.directupload.net/images/160207/55helzgt.jpg

Thank you for all the help and nice words, they are a great motivation to me. I am sure i will be able to finish the costume by the end of this year. I hope i will be able to post some pictures of me wearing the costume next week.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not a real update yet, but i am still making progress. I bought a replica saber hook for the belt and some chocolate brown goatskin for the pouch. The pouch looks really thin, at first i thought this was just some kind of belt hanger for a hammer or a flashlight, but goatskin is pretty thin and stiff, so this should do well.
I also changed the sleeves of the cloak, they are now a bit wider and it is a lot easier to take it on and off. I darkened it in coffee for one night, i think i will repeat this soon. The funny thing is, now that i am finished, the fabric i used is now available in a better matching brown.
I found some cheap frye campus 14l in color "saddle" on ebay, if i don't win the auction, there are still some in my size available in an ebay shop for under 100 including shipping and customs.
Seems like the costume is nearly done and i will only have to wait for the lightsaber to finish it. Maybe i will make a new turtle neck shirt to better match the one seen in the movie, but that are just little details you don't really see in the movie. Maybe i will start a second project in the waiting time.

Here is one picture of me wearing the costume. Unfortunately it was raining that day, so we did not make more.
http://fs5.directupload.net/images/160216/lmolvzmg.jpg
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2016 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I finished the belt:

http://fs5.directupload.net/images/160218/amzu6ips.jpg

The measurements of the pouch were taken from the movie using cross multiplication, so they should be correct, but it is pretty small. The goat skin makes it flexible enough to put my mobile phone, my keys or a small purse in, but not all three at the same time. I guess Ben only needed to have his keys and a few credits to go for a drink, so this should be OK.

I also ordered the boots, they should arrive in about two weeks. I hope they will fit well.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2016 3:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think i'm ready now =D
I adjusted the colors of the robe, cloak and belt, i changed the cloaks sleeves and i got some vintage Frye 14L boots. The lightsaber will be replaced by a functional replica at the end of the year.

So what do you think? Anything i will have to add or change in order to get the costume approved?

http://fs5.directupload.net/images/160308/rpkugplp.jpg

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http://fs5.directupload.net/images/160308/a8aevv5i.jpg

And again: Thank you for all of your help! You guys are great!
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are never fully ready, so i got me some blue light.

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