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Endor Trooper: Rifle Sling

 
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:45 am    Post subject: Endor Trooper: Rifle Sling Reply with quote

Hey all! I've combed over my collection of ERT photos, looking at the A280's they carried. I'm pretty convinced they used standard leather shoulder straps, although the consensus I've read here seems to be that they'll approve either leather or webbing straps.

My question is this: Does anyone have any reference photos that are good enough to show where and how these straps were attached to the rifles?

I have the Darth Hair kit, for reference.



I'm leaning towards attaching it to the very front of the forward grip (there's a nice flat section there that could use some breaking up anyway), and for the back, attaching it to that angled block at the start of the shoulder stock, either towards the front (downslope) or the back vertical.

But some sort of authoritative evidence would make me feel a lot more confident in my decision. Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found some prop photos of the M-16 based rebel rifle that was used in ROTJ while doing my research about the DH-17 ESB and ROTJ. You can see the location of the sling mounts in both photos.

I found the first reference shot with the white background in an official book from Lucas Film. The rifle can be seen on page 167 of the book "Star Wars - Die illustrierte Enzyklopädie: Alle Filme und Serien", which is the German translation of Star Wars: The Visual Encyclopedia.

The second reference I found in a post with the title HOLLYWOOD AUCTION: John McClane’s Beretta 92F And More On eBay on the https://www.thefirearmblog.com/

This is the text that is under the photo:
1322. Star Wars – Episode VI: Return of the Jedi (10) production used weapon reference photographs from set decorator Mike Ford. (TCF, 1983) Vintage original (10) gelatin silver 8 x 10 in. semi gloss photos of weapons from the Star Wars universe. Including images captioned, “MIG Rifle Rebel”, “MIG Rifle Imperial”, “Finned AR7 (Scrap”, “Sterling SMG Silver Rebel” and more. Includes 2- typed correspondence 1-from Set Decorator Mike Ford dated 2nd September 1981 and regarding the weapons and photographs, both on Revenge of the Jedi stationery. From the collection of Academy Award winning set decorator and designer Mike Ford. $500 – $700
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/06/28/hollywood-auction-ebay/

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https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/A280_blaster_rifle
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, I just realized that your ROTJ rifle is the second version. Parts of Star Wars have some photos where it sling mounts are. As far as I can tell they are under the barrel in front of the griping area and on the shoulder stock.


http://www.partsofsw.com/images/endrifle1.gif
http://www.partsofsw.com/EndorBlas.htm


http://www.partsofsw.com/images/endblas_archives.jpg
http://www.partsofsw.com/EndorBlas.htm

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http://theswca.com/images-props/rotjrebelblaster.jpg
http://theswca.com/index.php?action=disp_item&item_id=81149
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, great reference shots, thanks!

I was really happy with those first shots, as they seemed to confirm my thoughts on placement were correct and would work. With the first version rifle, it turns out. The second one (closer to mine) has the sling mounted in areas don't really work, structurally, on my rifle. The actual shoulder plate is relatively thin resin, and I wouldn't want to drill into it to attach the mounting point, the way they did. (Probably metal plates, so not an issue with the real thing) And the front mounting point, on the originals works well (the forward hand grip is very thick resin, well-attached), but the odd stand-off mount attached to the very end of the barrels would not work out well with the simple PVC used on our replicas.

But considering it seems pretty much everyone does their own thing and attaches wherever it makes sense to them at the time (based on all the RL ERT trooper pics I've been looking at), I think I'll go with a hybrid approach that should work well for my specific configuration, and basically mount the strap in the areas used on the original Hoth MP44-based rifles, instead of the AR15-based ROTJ rifles. It's pretty close either way, within an inch or so of where the originals were. I doubt the difference could be discerned when carrying it.

And nice to see I was right that they're all brown leather straps. Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And done. Smile


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had the same thoughts about the sling placement and had to cut the difference, and mount mine just forward of the tubestock grip. I have the resin and pipe conversion from DarthHair , and drilled into the pipe knowing that its a weak spot, so I added a sliver of plastic on the inside of that pipe, knowing it would give some level or reinforcement. I measured all my depths first before I added it. I found a leather hunter sling on Ebay cheap enough, and love the look of it because its so close to what was used on screen.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks good to me. We always want to get as close to the original as we can but often have to take into account what will work with our props and what will not.
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