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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 5:43 pm    Post subject: Colonel Cracken Reply with quote

One of the most underappreciated action figures is the one portraying Colonel Cracken.
However, I like it a lot for its plain, utilitarian Alliance military look, so I decided to recreate this particular look in a larger scale.

It looks like the basic uniform can be based upon a set of khaki BDUs. The pockets on the chest and skirt of the BDU top can be taken off without problems and the material can be used to form the smaller cargo pockets on the pants.

I'm still thinking if the vest can be converted from an existing garment or if it needs to be made up from scratch. It differs from the Endor Commando vest in several aspects, doesn't have the quilted shoulders and actually short sleeves.

Here are my reference pics:

https://www.banthaskull.com/images/VC_Photo_Archive/vc90_colonel_cracken_03.jpg

https://www.banthaskull.com/images/VC_Photo_Archive/vc90_colonel_cracken_05.jpg

https://www.banthaskull.com/images/VC_Photo_Archive/vc90_colonel_cracken_13.jpg

https://www.banthaskull.com/images/VC_Photo_Archive/vc90_colonel_cracken_04.jpg

https://www.banthaskull.com/images/VC_Photo_Archive/vc90_colonel_cracken_06.jpg
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do not know a lot about this costume because I specialize in Rogue One and EA/DICE Battlefront 1 and 2 costumes. As far as I can tell General Airen Cracken is wearing a tan technician flight overall when he is the gunner of the Falcon. He is also wearing an Endor Trooper vest, gloves, and belt. The boots look like jackboots with ROTJ pilot gaiters. The headset is the same Han Solo wears on the Millenium Falcon and some of the technicians on Yavin 4 in ANH.

The toy you posted seems to be based on the deleted scenes because the collar has pointed ends like a dress shirt. Many other reference photos show him having a closed mandarin style collar like a tan technician flight suit.


Here are some links to GSC references and other sources.

http://www.forum.rebellegion.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=106996

http://www.command.rebellegion.com/general-airen-cracken-return-of-the-jedi/

https://imgur.com/a/y4oeW6u

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B4xsXvnXAr7LbFdXanFqdHdHN1E
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi!
I know those sources, yet I would like to recreate the look of the uniform of the action figure.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It can be difficult to recreate the look of a toy but the one you posted has very good details similar to my Hasbro Rebel Vanguard. I wish you good luck with your project and look forward to seeing the finished costume.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, Pam.
I've got a little experience turning toys and comic illustrations into life-size outfits through G.I. Joe so I'm quite confident that this will turn out quite well.

Are you planning to be at Fed Con in October?
If so, we can chase this up in person at the event.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

General Cracken is a great character! If you are looking to create a costume for fun to or to wear a convention, the action figure will absolutely work and we're happy to give advice and link resources for that build. Unfortunately action figures are not currently accepted as a primary reference for Rebel Legion costume applications.

If you are interested in Rebel Legion approval, the costume on the figure is based on is the one in the references Patricia linked above (even to the point of being the photo on the action figure card back), so you will want to use those if you want to create a Legion approvable costume.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thorn_Korrd wrote:
Thanks, Pam.
I've got a little experience turning toys and comic illustrations into life-size outfits through G.I. Joe so I'm quite confident that this will turn out quite well.

Are you planning to be at Fed Con in October?
If so, we can chase this up in person at the event.


I do not think that I am going to go to Fed Con in October. In general, I am not a fan of very large Cons with many people. I am not even sure if I am going to go to the Sci-Fi Treffen in Speyer this September if it takes place at all because of the pandemic. I have been to Speyer every year since 2014 and really do not want to miss it but I am in two risk groups and exposing myself to the novel Coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2) might not be a good idea.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RebelLady wrote:
Unfortunately action figures are not currently accepted as a primary reference for Rebel Legion costume applications.


That seems unfortunate.
May I ask where that is written down?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,
I have one Endor Gunner approved...So, I can help with info.
Most of the info has been described by Patricia.

-Endor helmet (like the Falcon)
-Tan jumpsuit
-Endor trooper vest, gloves, belt and pouch. I have a different gloves for this one (leather tan)
-Rank bar in the left side
-Jackboots
-ROTJ gaiters

If you have any question I could help
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thorn_Korrd wrote:
RebelLady wrote:
Unfortunately action figures are not currently accepted as a primary reference for Rebel Legion costume applications.


That seems unfortunate.
May I ask where that is written down?


We are in a Massive rewrite of all costume standards legion wide.

Toys are usually much less detailed than the actual screen reference. Standards based on Toys like the Vanguard Rebel Fleet Trooper are actually based on a low resolution video game where the toy has a lot more detail.

If there is a reference with more detail, Especially the films, It trumps a less accurate action figure reference.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's the link to the Endor Gunner costume standard:

http://newsite.rebellegion.com/endor-gunner/

We do have one General Airen Cracken approved already. His profile can be found here:

http://www.forum.rebellegion.com/forum/costume.php?mode=view&c=15035

For General Cracken (His rank seems to be inconsistent in a couple of cannon sources, but most have him as a general fairly early on in the rebellion.) Jean is on the right track. Smile

You'll want:

-Tan jumpsuit with the tabbed closure mandarin collar, or for the deleted scenes version, a two pointed collar.
- OD military style webbed belt with black slider buckle
- 2 OD canvas pouches
- Khaki Endor style vest
- Rank Badge
- Comm greeb on shoulder
- Light brown or tan leather short work gloves
- Tan gaiters with a seam down the front, silver strapping at top, and small black triangle to the inner part of gaiters.
- Black round toe boots or shoes

And one of the following:
- Headset
- Endor Donut Helmet and Soft Cap

We have a ton of resources for these including 3-D print files and patterns/tutorials, so let me know if you would like them linked!
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PhantomEcho wrote:
If there is a reference with more detail, Especially the films, It trumps a less accurate action figure reference.


So you're telling me it is something you do and it is not a written rule.
What a concept.

Article II states:
"Costumes approved by the Rebel Legion include, but is not limited to, costumes seen in films (created/produced/distributed) by Lucasfilm, LLC/Disney, comics, books, games, television shows and other source material from licensed LFL/Disney based on the Star Wars saga."

This clearly includes action figures such as the one I chose to use as it is a licensed product.
Your statement that one source trumps the other is nowhere to be seen.
This appears to me as some sort of gatekeeping which should not have a place in a club of this rate.
Telling me that there is a massive re-write of the Charta going on doesn't mean that this "trumping" will make it into the future Charta.
I'm starting this project under the current Charta and not under one that might be, could be or some may think should be.

My point still stands: if it's not clearly stated in the regs, it doesn't apply.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RebelLady wrote:
We have a ton of resources for these including 3-D print files and patterns/tutorials, so let me know if you would like them linked!


Not trying to sound ungrateful, but if I wanted to build that variant, I wouldn't have chosen that particular action figure as a source.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2020 5:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thorn_Korrd wrote:
PhantomEcho wrote:
If there is a reference with more detail, Especially the films, It trumps a less accurate action figure reference.


So you're telling me it is something you do and it is not a written rule.
What a concept.

Article II states:
"Costumes approved by the Rebel Legion include, but is not limited to, costumes seen in films (created/produced/distributed) by Lucasfilm, LLC/Disney, comics, books, games, television shows and other source material from licensed LFL/Disney based on the Star Wars saga."

This clearly includes action figures such as the one I chose to use as it is a licensed product.
Your statement that one source trumps the other is nowhere to be seen.
This appears to me as some sort of gatekeeping which should not have a place in a club of this rate.
Telling me that there is a massive re-write of the Charta going on doesn't mean that this "trumping" will make it into the future Charta.
I'm starting this project under the current Charta and not under one that might be, could be or some may think should be.

My point still stands: if it's not clearly stated in the regs, it doesn't apply.


Let me respectfully rephrase. You can build it. You can submit it. The Detachment Commanding Officer and I are just advising precedent from past appeals to the LMO. As you are citing the charter you will be aware of the appeals process going in.

I honestly wish you the best.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The first part of Article II of the Rebel Legion charter states the following:


Article II: Costuming Standards
The Rebel Legion celebrates creating, owning, and wearing the costumes of the Hero, Rebel and Republic forces as featured in any of the Star Wars films, the Expanded Universe (EU), un-used conceptual art for the films, comics, books, games, and television shows based on the licensed LFL Star Wars saga material. To capture the magic of these characters, our goal will always be the accurate presentation and portrayal of these costumes. The Rebel Legion maintains two types of costume distinctions: Formal and Informal. The Informal status is no longer used or granted to costumes beginning June 27, 2014.

Informal: This is a defunct classification for costumes which the legion ceased to use as of June 27, 2014. Active and Reserve Rebel legion members who maintain an “informal” costume in their profile may continue to use the costume for select events (see Article VIII: Costume Event Standards A. Official Rebel Legion Events. Members are highly encouraged to resubmit their informal costumes for re-approval to full status.

Costumes approved by the Rebel Legion include, but is not limited to, costumes seen in films (created/produced/distributed) by Lucasfilm, LLC/Disney, comics, books, games, television shows and other source material from licensed LFL/Disney based on the Star Wars saga.
*These costumes include any character from the Star Wars universe, regardless of what LFL/Disney has declared as “canon”, as long as there are proper reference images for the creation of the costume (see requirements for costume references below).

Costume Standards listed in the Costume Standards Master List are meant to be used as a guide for building Rebel Legion approved costumes, and are used by our Legion Costume Judges as a starting point for judging a costume for Rebel Legion membership. The Costume Standards of the Rebel Legion are not meant to be an all inclusive list of components and/or a completely detailed description of costume components required for Rebel Legion membership. In addition to using the costume standards as a starting point for judging costumes, costumes are also judged by comparing them to the source material (that is, the costumes seen in the costumes of the Star Wars universe.
Costumes eligible for Rebel Legion membership, that do not have written/posted costume standards must include:
1. Two or more images, head to toe, showing the front and back of the costume being created OR a 360-degree head-to-toe turnaround of the character.
2. Additional images may be included to show detail of the costume being created.
3. Resource material may come from any LFL/Disney licensed sources for the character/costume being created.
4. Additional costume details may come from a detailed text-based description, but must have an accompanying visual reference to be considered for creating a Rebel Legion approved costume.
5. For video games: Player generated/edited costumes for game characters (those that are customizable) are not eligible for consideration for Rebel Legion membership.



The way I understand article II any licensed Star Wars product that has enough visual references can be recreated. So recreating a Hasbro action figure should be possible. Especially a modern action figure, which is very detailed, compared to vintage toys if you have references from all sides.

There are two costume standards that are purely based on toys. The CS for the Rebel Vanguard (Hasbro action figure) and Rebel Captain (Star Wars Miniatures game). In this case, two precedents were already set.

http://newsite.rebellegion.com/rebel-vanguard-hasbro-action-figure/

http://newsite.rebellegion.com/rebel-captain-star-wars-miniatures-game/


The Hasbro figure of Cracken that you posted should be detailed enough to reproduce the look for a costume. Since there is no CS for this version of the costume, you will have to replicate every visible detail to a T and also send in your references for the costume when applying for approval.
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