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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2020 7:38 pm    Post subject: Alliance Infantry Type A (R1) Reply with quote

There are many items used in common between types of Alliance Infantry. Type A lists options that may be used with the tunic style shirt worn by Sergeant Melshi and Private Kappehl in the Visual Guide book.

1. HEADWEAR (Choose One)
Goggle cap
- Cap with double brims and cheek/neck cover (Hoth caps are not acceptable)
- Cheek/neck cover has checkerboard quilting
- Brown leather chin strap is attached to bottom of cheek cover. Buckle is sewn to left side. Black snap on right side.
- 2 rectangular flaps on back of hat for goggle straps
- 1 square flap on left ear over part of cheek cover
- Black comlink radio on left ear flap. Radio has round knob in center and cylinder on bottom. Antenna is slightly bent. May have orange paint on cylinder. Hoth radios are acceptable.
- White goggles (vintage cebe 15). Khaki elastic strap is secured with leather tabs and strap is worn under hat flaps. Clear, yellow, or smoke lenses.
- Blue, khaki, or brown
https://i.imgur.com/zCUXsw7.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/uKs6W0L.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/95w6UcH.jpg
M1 helmet
- M1-style helmet
- Tan helmet cover with ribbed strip on top that does not extend past the outer shield
- Dark green or day gray shield ring with flashlight on left side
- WW2 style chin strap with camera mount on right side
- May have screen accurate logo on front left shield
- May have rubber band circling shield with box and/or silver cylinders
https://i.imgur.com/XvsAe5w.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/fE3nXkS.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/FduJTRF.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/tP8msUD.png
Donut helmet
- AN-H 15 cloth cap (or replica) with ribbed strip on top and cloth bill
- Endor-style donut ring in dark green or dark gray
- May have screen accurate logo on front left
https://i.imgur.com/i9CFzge.jpg

2. TUNIC
- Pullover tunic with mandarin collar
- Collar and sleeves secure with velcro
- Elbow reinforcements sewn on outside of tunic
- Left arm has two silver canisters held by loops of the same fabric as the tunic. Canisters rest at 45-degree angle halfway down the biceps.
- Left shoulder has correct unit badge
- Hem falls to bottom of crotch level
- Hanging section below belt is split on both sides with rounded corners at bottom. It has 5 rows of horizontal topstitching.
- Blue or khaki
https://i.imgur.com/ooSubS5.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/iP1D0Hy.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/InRNUH5.jpg

3. VEST (choose one)
Open-Backed Vest
- Vest is solid behind neck with no collar
- Top of vest back has three silver tri-glide slides
- Bottom of vest has matching strap around waist that is adjusted with silver tri-glide slide
- Vertical strap connects waist strap to center tri-glide slide
- Pectoral flap on each side
- Shoulder strap epaulet on each side
- Right shoulder and epaulet is colored yellow
- Left chest compad with cylinder on top and red button on left
- Correct right abdomen greeblie
- Belt loop that hangs down from vest on each side
- Blue, khaki, or brown
https://i.imgur.com/NKn1gtA.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/817z7s5.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/3shZLqv.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/0qzqMVr.png
Flak vest (Cassian Andor style)
- M69 style flak vest
- Combadge on left chest
- Pouch on left chest under combadge
- Diagonal slash pocket on right chest
- Accurate adjustment strapping
- Blue or khaki
- Yellow OR red/white shoulder detail
- Khaki vests may not have shoulder detail
https://i.imgur.com/uZYcvNs.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/C0rIVZs.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ijA5ue4.jpg
Grenade Vest
- U.S. medium olive drab nylon grenade vest
- Dyed black with yellow detail on two upper right shoulder pouches
- Grenade pocket tabs, grenade pocket edge tape, and vest tape are brown
https://i.imgur.com/kR1OZrI.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/w0zgaNy.jpg

3. BELT
- Khaki, olive, or coyote brown PLCE belt turned inside out
- Silver rectangle buckle with three-dot circle design OR roll-pin buckle in silver or black
https://i.imgur.com/7f1SScD.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/gMuHei3.jpg

4. BELT ACCESSORIES (choose at least one)
- French triple grenade pouch
https://i.imgur.com/oMoiQBq.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/tlCxsB3.jpg
- HTK pouch with or without bottom button flap
https://i.imgur.com/L2yQ2Q6.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/fVYcGlR.jpg
- Yugoslavian mess kit pouch (may be colored dark blue with accurate emblem)
https://i.imgur.com/rxjr27p.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Cp4WVhP.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/KOfDiPd.jpg
- British pattern 58 kidney pouch (1 or 2)
https://i.imgur.com/0kXeHBf.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/5q8EowN.jpg
- Greek Thompson mag pouch with visible grenade tops
https://i.imgur.com/gMuHei3.jpg
- Carriage loops with hose connectors worn with ridges down
https://i.imgur.com/W53w03u.jpg
- Chinese SKS belt with straps hidden or removed
https://i.imgur.com/rZF7d56.jpg

5. PANTS
- BDU-style pants with cargo pocket on each outer thigh
- May have accurate knee padding and ribbing on knees
- Pants are worn tucked into boots
- Khaki, coyote, blue, or chocolate
https://i.imgur.com/DGt4h0F.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/KEmTK1q.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/q75NNJT.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/5RqLAQR.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ONsh8qq.jpg

6. BOOTS
- The boot is made of 3 separate but attached elements: shoe, spat, and cuff
- Shoe is brown or black chelsea boot or other slip-on boot with slightly raised heel. Suede is acceptable.
- No visible buttons, laces, straps or closures. Zipper on the inside of leg is acceptable.
- Cuffs wraps around entire leg and ends on outside of leg pointing back
- Cuffs should not come up excessively high. Estimate 4-6 inches based on proportions of the wearer. Should not reach the bottom of the calf muscle.
- Right side has two loops of the same cuff material holding accurate cylinder greeblies
- Cuff may have loopor buckle on tab at top of cuff (example Corporal Rostok)
- Spat is attached to top and sides of foot. May have accurate stitching on spat
https://i.imgur.com/sQpQe9h.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/U6bLEEX.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/U86QJ5M.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/cTsMaEG.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/dlwZg6q.png
https://i.imgur.com/jAAUHfe.png

7. BLASTER (choose one if allowed by law)
- A300 (carbine, rifle, or sniper) with khaki sling
https://i.imgur.com/m3OKils.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/XKgikJE.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Ldo7D52.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/GTN02m5.jpg
- DH-17 (with or without stock) with khaki sling. Carbine is preferable over pistol style
https://i.imgur.com/fSgXt1Y.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/tjoG8R8.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/JjE8qgC.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/mhxpDHp.jpg
- Either blaster may have tactical light on right side

8. OPTIONAL ITEMS
- Black sniper scarf
https://i.imgur.com/EbeAbql.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/1eSJzx0.jpg
- Gray or khaki pilot gauntlets with accurate greeblie on left wrist and triangular gores on pinkie side
https://i.imgur.com/Cp4WVhP.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/yMcoOmO.jpg
- Cylindrical comlink
https://i.imgur.com/lLCUSq7.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/qODnB8a.jpg
- Q4-E Quadnoculars
https://i.imgur.com/e7YLnIF.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/EkgQPzD.jpg
- HH-12 Rocket Launcher (if allowed by law)
https://i.imgur.com/HOeA01F.png
https://i.imgur.com/TCmadGY.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/bc28TX6.jpg
- Two box backpack in style of Corporal Pao without shoulder/hip armor. Endor/Hoth backpacks are not acceptable as these have the 4 tube piece separate from the top box.
https://i.imgur.com/9D19Zg3.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/xv8kvJ2.jpg
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2020 1:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A few things I noticed. Some are just "since we have an official name, let's use it".
Most of these will apply to the other standard proposals too, so I will cross-post on those threads.

"M1 helmet" proposed change: ACH-14 (Czerka advanced combat helmet)
- M1-style helmet
- Tan helmet cover with ribbed strip on top that does not extend past the outer shield
- Dark green or day gray shield ring with flashlight on left side...


Donut helmet
- AN-H 15 cloth cap (or replica) with ribbed strip on top and cloth bill
- Endor-style donut ring in dark green or dark gray
- May have screen accurate logo on front left
https://i.imgur.com/i9CFzge.jpg

proposed change:
Donut helmet
- AN-H 15 cloth cap variant (or replica) with ribbed strip on top and cloth bill, capped earpieces and facemask hook. Cheek piece hardware is exposed.
- Rogue One-style donut ring (egg-shape from overhead, and proper vent style in back) in dark green or dark gray.
- May have screen accurate Rogue One style logo on front left.
- Endor style may be used if appropriate modifications are made to the rear-vent portion



6. BOOTS
- The boot is made of 3 separate but attached elements: shoe, spat, and cuff
- Shoe is brown or black chelsea boot or other slip-on boot with slightly raised heel. Suede is acceptable.
- No visible buttons, laces, straps or closures. Zipper on the inside of leg is acceptable.
- Cuffs wraps around entire leg and ends on outside of leg pointing back
- Cuffs should not come up excessively high. Estimate 4-6 inches based on proportions of the wearer. Should not reach the bottom of the calf muscle.
- Right side has two loops of the same cuff material holding accurate cylinder greeblies
- Cuff may have loop or buckle on tab at top of cuff (example Corporal Rostok)
- Spat is attached to top and sides of foot. May have accurate stitching on spat.


proposed changes:

6. BOOTS proposed change: BOOTS (M4D combat boots)
- The boot is made of 3 separate but attached elements: shoe, spat, and cuff
- Shoe is brown or black chelsea boot or other slip-on boot with slightly raised heel. Suede is acceptable.
- No visible buttons, laces, straps or closures. Zipper on the inside of leg is acceptable.
- Spat is attached to top and sides of foot. May have accurate stitching on spat. Zipper on the inside of leg is acceptable.
- Cuffs wraps around entire leg and ends on outside of leg pointing back
- Cuffs should not come up excessively high. Estimate 4-6 inches based on proportions of the wearer. Should not reach the bottom of the calf muscle.
- Right side has two loops of the same cuff material holding accurate cylinder greeblies
- Cuff may have loop or buckle on tab at top of cuff (example Corporal Rostok)



7. BLASTER (choose one if allowed by law)
- A300 (carbine, rifle, or sniper) with khaki sling

proposed change:
7. BLASTER (choose one if allowed by law)
- A-280cfe/A-300 (carbine, rifle, or sniper) with khaki sling


- Cylindrical comlink
proposed change
-Crozo 2-MAL comlink
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2020 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree that we should use the correct Star Wars terms used in the Rogue One Visual Guide but we also have to use the Earth terms in brackets so that everyone knows what to search for when making one of these costumes.

for example:
    - Reinforced Czerka ACH-14 advanced combat helmet (M1 helmet)
    - Field ration and survival kit (Yugoslavian mess kit pouch; may be colored dark blue with accurate emblem)
    - Utility belt with or without carriage loops (British PLCE belt worn inside out)

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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2020 10:41 am    Post subject: Re: Alliance Infantry Type A (R1) Reply with quote

Niall wrote:

4. BELT ACCESSORIES (choose at least one)
- French triple grenade pouch
https://i.imgur.com/oMoiQBq.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/tlCxsB3.jpg
- HTK pouch with or without bottom button flap
https://i.imgur.com/L2yQ2Q6.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/fVYcGlR.jpg
- Yugoslavian mess kit pouch (may be colored dark blue with accurate emblem)
https://i.imgur.com/rxjr27p.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Cp4WVhP.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/KOfDiPd.jpg
- British pattern 58 kidney pouch (1 or 2)
https://i.imgur.com/0kXeHBf.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/5q8EowN.jpg
- Greek Thompson mag pouch with visible grenade tops
https://i.imgur.com/gMuHei3.jpg
- Carriage loops with hose connectors worn with ridges down
https://i.imgur.com/W53w03u.jpg
- Chinese SKS belt with straps hidden or removed
https://i.imgur.com/rZF7d56.jpg



While I went through the references again to find more DH-17s I found some more interesting stuff about the pouches. Not all Yugoslavian mess kit pouches where dyed dark blue with accurate emblem. Some were just plain olive green ones.




I also found another small British M58 pouch in olive green that was used. It was worn at the back of the PLCE belt by at least two Sacrif Marines.





https://www.asmc.com/Used-British-M58-Belt-Pouch


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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2020 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice catch! Thanks!
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2020 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree about the naming conventions. Thank you.

Also: thank you for your guidance, I have never handled standards before, and....boy, is this an ..
educational experience!
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2020 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Terran S wrote:
I agree about the naming conventions. Thank you.

Also: thank you for your guidance, I have never handled standards before, and....boy, is this an ..
educational experience!



You are welcome. I am glad that I can help. Making a new standard or up-dating an old one is always a lot of work. First you have to find references and then describe everything. It should always be a team effort because one set of eyes can miss something. I helped to create a couple CS here and some CRLs over in the officer forum of the 501st Legion. My specialty is finding references.
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2020 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those pouches are already referenced. They're listed as the British pattern 58 pouch and the Yugoslavian one says MAY be colored.
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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2020 3:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Niall wrote:
Those pouches are already referenced. They're listed as the British pattern 58 pouch and the Yugoslavian one says MAY be colored.


No, the small British M58 is not already listed in the CS. The British M58 kidney pouches are listed. They are larger than the ones I found. Those are a different pouch from the same carrying system. It is similar to our R1 DH-17 and ANH DH-17 they are both DH-17s but they are not the same and each needs their own references.

In the new CS format, we have to be more specific with our descriptions of items and we have to have reference photos of all them. Until now we only had references of the dyed and painted Yugoslavian mess kit. Saying that they may be colored makes sense because we do not want to make people's life more difficult but it would be wrong and get challenged by more nit-picky members and judges if we did not have proof that there were olive ones in the movie. I just provided the proof by finding references for it. I have been doing this stuff for a while and had quite a few discussions with other members. You always need references to prove your opinion.


Niall wrote:

British pattern 58 kidney pouch (1 or 2)
https://i.imgur.com/0kXeHBf.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/5q8EowN.jpg



PArmstr wrote:

While I went through the references again to find more DH-17s I found some more interesting stuff about the pouches. Not all Yugoslavian mess kit pouches where dyed dark blue with accurate emblem. Some were just plain olive green ones.




I also found another small British M58 pouch in olive green that was used. It was worn at the back of the PLCE belt by at least two Sacrif Marines.





https://www.asmc.com/Used-British-M58-Belt-Pouch


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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2020 4:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just found a reference stating the pouch that I found is the British M58 water bottle pouch. The other two pouches are correctly named in the CS as British M58 kidney pouches.


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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2020 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A good friend of mine collect original props.
Hey buyed some R1 Parts from auctions.
This Pouch is NOT blue ... it is the original fabric colour...

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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2020 7:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This Picture is not a refference... its a Cosplayer Kai Hensel in Speyer last Year.
He is part of my Group. He send his approval pictures and is waiting.
Hie Pouch is in original colour too ...

It will be much better to use original pictures as refferences than cosplayers !
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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2020 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I completely agree with you Bastian. I am really happy that I actually found a Lucas Film reference of the olive green Yugoslavian mess kit pouch. My reference is from the supporting cast of Rogue One. It was filmed as behind the scenes material by Lucas Film. The clip is from Rogue One Secrets Explained | The Star Wars Show on the official Star Wars Youtube channel of Lucas Fim. The man can be seen standing on the left side of Chopper on set of Rogue One at 1:14/24:42. Since this is Backstage material from Lucas Film I consider it a good reference.





Link to the Youtube clip
Rogue One Secrets Explained | The Star Wars Show
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7AuVg8OL3A&list=PLintau-aUxyjAnUS12aQjFPmaI38p3CPf
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do we have any screen references of the grenade vest or the Cassian style flak vest being worn over this tunic? If they have been placed in the older thread they should be moved over to here. Otherwise it appears that only the open-back vest is worn.

Also, I would like to propose that the DH-17 be required to be the Rogue One style with the magwell, as opposed to a Rebel Fleet Trooper pistol style with no magwell. If Carbine is referring to the stock then we should state the stock is optional.

Also would like all instances of "blue" be renamed "navy" which is more descriptive and accurate. Blue is too broad of a color and could allow for incorrect shades to be submitted.

Goggles should have "or exact replica" listed.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kievan Mereel wrote:
Do we have any screen references of the grenade vest or the Cassian style flak vest being worn over this tunic? If they have been placed in the older thread they should be moved over to here.

Also, I would like to propose that the DH-17 be required to be the Rogue One style with the magwell, as opposed to a Rebel Fleet Trooper pistol style with no magwell. If Carbine is referring to the stock then we should state the stock is optional.

Also would like all instances of "blue" be renamed "navy" which is more descriptive and accurate. Blue is too broad of a color and could allow for incorrect shades to be submitted.



I found references of the grenade vest worn on a blue tunic that is way I suggested it. I did not find any with the Cassian style west. I do not know how this slipped in here. What I did find is all three types of vests on the anorak.

What is a magwell? I am not familiar with that term? There where three main types of DH-17 used in Rogue One. Niall means all Rogue One DH-17 with or without shoulder stocks when he states carabine because he thinks the DH-17 in are larger than the ones in the OT. I ask him to clarify that in one of the other threads.

I would prefer dark blue or very dark blue as a general term instead of "navy" because it is not the right shade of blue either. There are also other types of dark blue that might be approvable too.


Tunic with grenade vest:



There are three main versions of the Rogue One DH-17 blaster used in the movie.

Version One:



Version Two:



Version Three:



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