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Alliance Infantry Type B (R1)

 
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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2020 7:42 pm    Post subject: Alliance Infantry Type B (R1) Reply with quote

There are many items used in common between types of Alliance Infantry. Type B lists options that may be used with the jacket with striped sleeves worn by Lieutenant Sefla, Corporal Rostok, and Private Basteren in the Visual Guide book.

1. HEADWEAR (Choose One)
Goggle cap
- Cap with double brims and cheek/neck cover (Hoth caps are not acceptable)
- Cheek/neck cover has checkerboard quilting
- Brown leather chin strap is attached to bottom of cheek cover. Buckle is sewn to left side. Black snap on right side.
- 2 rectangular flaps on back of hat for goggle straps
- 1 square flap on left ear over part of cheek cover
- Black comlink radio on left ear flap. Radio has round knob in center and cylinder on bottom. Antenna is slightly bent. May have orange paint on cylinder. Hoth radios are acceptable.
- White goggles (vintage cebe 15). Khaki elastic strap is secured with leather tabs and strap is worn under hat flaps. Clear, yellow, or smoke lenses.
- Blue, khaki, or brown
https://i.imgur.com/zCUXsw7.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/uKs6W0L.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/95w6UcH.jpg
M1 helmet
- M1-style helmet
- Tan helmet cover with ribbed strip on top that does not extend past the outer shield
- Dark green or day gray shield ring with flashlight on left side
- WW2 style chin strap with camera mount on right side
- May have screen accurate logo on front left shield
- May have rubber band circling shield with box and/or silver cylinders
https://i.imgur.com/XvsAe5w.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/fE3nXkS.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/FduJTRF.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/tP8msUD.png
Donut helmet
- AN-H 15 cloth cap (or replica) with ribbed strip on top and cloth bill
- Endor-style donut ring in dark green or dark gray
- May have screen accurate logo on front left
https://i.imgur.com/i9CFzge.jpg

2. JACKET (Cassian Andor style)
- Heavy canvas jacket with contrasting “blood stripe” detail on sleeves
- Action back (darts at sleeves)
- Blood stripes may be printed, suede, embroidered, or similar.
- Mandarin collar with 6 lines of top stitching
- Waistband has 6 lines of top stitching
- Screen accurate top stitching and pockets on front
- Jacket is worn closed and tucked in to pants
- May have combadge on left chest and/or rank badge on right chest
- Blue, tan, khaki, light brown, or dark brown
- Tan jackets have dark stripes
- Blue, khaki, light brown, and dark brown have dark stripes
https://i.imgur.com/agwiH99.png
https://i.imgur.com/t6zi04v.jpg

3. VEST (choose one)
Open-Backed Vest
- Vest is solid behind neck with no collar
- Top of vest back has three silver tri-glide slides
- Bottom of vest has matching strap around waist that is adjusted with silver tri-glide slide
- Vertical strap connects waist strap to center tri-glide slide
- Pectoral flap on each side
- Shoulder strap epaulet on each side
- Right shoulder and epaulet is colored yellow
- Left chest compad with cylinder on top and red button on left
- Correct right abdomen greeblie
- Belt loop that hangs down from vest on each side
- Blue, khaki, or brown
https://i.imgur.com/NKn1gtA.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/817z7s5.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/3shZLqv.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/0qzqMVr.png
Flak vest (Cassian Andor style)
- M69 style flak vest
- Combadge on left chest
- Pouch on left chest under combadge
- Diagonal slash pocket on right chest
- Accurate adjustment strapping
- Blue or khaki
- Yellow OR red/white shoulder detail
- Khaki vests may not have shoulder detail
https://i.imgur.com/uZYcvNs.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/C0rIVZs.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ijA5ue4.jpg

3. BELT
- Khaki, olive, or coyote brown PLCE belt turned inside out
- Silver rectangle buckle with three-dot circle design OR roll-pin buckle in silver or black
https://i.imgur.com/7f1SScD.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/gMuHei3.jpg

4. BELT ACCESSORIES (choose at least one)
- French triple grenade pouch
https://i.imgur.com/oMoiQBq.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/tlCxsB3.jpg
- HTK pouch with or without bottom button flap
https://i.imgur.com/L2yQ2Q6.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/fVYcGlR.jpg
- Yugoslavian mess kit pouch (may be colored dark blue with accurate emblem)
https://i.imgur.com/rxjr27p.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Cp4WVhP.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/KOfDiPd.jpg
- British pattern 58 kidney pouch (1 or 2)
https://i.imgur.com/0kXeHBf.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/5q8EowN.jpg
- Greek Thompson mag pouch with visible grenade tops
https://i.imgur.com/gMuHei3.jpg
- Carriage loops with hose connectors worn with ridges down
https://i.imgur.com/W53w03u.jpg
- Chinese SKS belt with straps hidden or removed
https://i.imgur.com/rZF7d56.jpg

5. PANTS
- BDU-style pants with cargo pocket on each outer thigh
- May have accurate knee padding and ribbing on knees
- Pants are worn tucked into boots
- Khaki, coyote, blue, or chocolate
https://i.imgur.com/DGt4h0F.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/KEmTK1q.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/q75NNJT.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/5RqLAQR.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ONsh8qq.jpg

6. BOOTS
- The boot is made of 3 separate but attached elements: shoe, spat, and cuff
- Shoe is brown or black chelsea boot or other slip-on boot with slightly raised heel. Suede is acceptable.
- No visible buttons, laces, straps or closures. Zipper on the inside of leg is acceptable.
- Cuffs wraps around entire leg and ends on outside of leg pointing back
- Cuffs should not come up excessively high. Estimate 4-6 inches based on proportions of the wearer. Should not reach the bottom of the calf muscle.
- Right side has two loops of the same cuff material holding accurate cylinder greeblies
- Cuff may have loopor buckle on tab at top of cuff (example Corporal Rostok)
- Spat is attached to top and sides of foot. May have accurate stitching on spat
https://i.imgur.com/sQpQe9h.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/U6bLEEX.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/U86QJ5M.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/cTsMaEG.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/dlwZg6q.png
https://i.imgur.com/jAAUHfe.png

7. BLASTER (choose one if allowed by law)
- A300 (carbine, rifle, or sniper) with khaki sling
https://i.imgur.com/m3OKils.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/XKgikJE.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Ldo7D52.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/GTN02m5.jpg
- DH-17 (with or without stock) with khaki sling. Carbine is preferable over pistol style
https://i.imgur.com/fSgXt1Y.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/tjoG8R8.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/JjE8qgC.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/mhxpDHp.jpg
- Either blaster may have tactical light on right side

8. OPTIONAL ITEMS
- Black sniper scarf
https://i.imgur.com/EbeAbql.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/1eSJzx0.jpg
- Gray or khaki pilot gauntlets with accurate greeblie on left wrist and triangular gores on pinkie side
https://i.imgur.com/Cp4WVhP.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/yMcoOmO.jpg
- Cylindrical comlink
https://i.imgur.com/lLCUSq7.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/qODnB8a.jpg
- Q4-E Quadnoculars
https://i.imgur.com/e7YLnIF.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/EkgQPzD.jpg
- HH-12 Rocket Launcher (if allowed by law)
https://i.imgur.com/HOeA01F.png
https://i.imgur.com/TCmadGY.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/bc28TX6.jpg
- Two box backpack in style of Corporal Pao without shoulder/hip armor. Endor/Hoth backpacks are not acceptable as these have the 4 tube piece separate from the top box.
https://i.imgur.com/9D19Zg3.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/xv8kvJ2.jpg
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2020 1:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A few things I noticed. Some are just "since we have an official name, let's use it".
Most of these will apply to the other standard proposals too, so I will cross-post on those threads.

"M1 helmet" proposed change: ACH-14 (Czerka advanced combat helmet)
- M1-style helmet
- Tan helmet cover with ribbed strip on top that does not extend past the outer shield
- Dark green or day gray shield ring with flashlight on left side...


Donut helmet
- AN-H 15 cloth cap (or replica) with ribbed strip on top and cloth bill
- Endor-style donut ring in dark green or dark gray
- May have screen accurate logo on front left
https://i.imgur.com/i9CFzge.jpg

proposed change:
Donut helmet
- AN-H 15 cloth cap variant (or replica) with ribbed strip on top and cloth bill, capped earpieces and facemask hook. Cheek piece hardware is exposed.
- Rogue One-style donut ring (egg-shape from overhead, and proper vent style in back) in dark green or dark gray.
- May have screen accurate Rogue One style logo on front left.
- Endor style may be used if appropriate modifications are made to the rear-vent portion



6. BOOTS
- The boot is made of 3 separate but attached elements: shoe, spat, and cuff
- Shoe is brown or black chelsea boot or other slip-on boot with slightly raised heel. Suede is acceptable.
- No visible buttons, laces, straps or closures. Zipper on the inside of leg is acceptable.
- Cuffs wraps around entire leg and ends on outside of leg pointing back
- Cuffs should not come up excessively high. Estimate 4-6 inches based on proportions of the wearer. Should not reach the bottom of the calf muscle.
- Right side has two loops of the same cuff material holding accurate cylinder greeblies
- Cuff may have loop or buckle on tab at top of cuff (example Corporal Rostok)
- Spat is attached to top and sides of foot. May have accurate stitching on spat.


proposed changes:

6. BOOTS proposed change: BOOTS (M4D combat boots)
- The boot is made of 3 separate but attached elements: shoe, spat, and cuff
- Shoe is brown or black chelsea boot or other slip-on boot with slightly raised heel. Suede is acceptable.
- No visible buttons, laces, straps or closures. Zipper on the inside of leg is acceptable.
- Spat is attached to top and sides of foot. May have accurate stitching on spat. Zipper on the inside of leg is acceptable.
- Cuffs wraps around entire leg and ends on outside of leg pointing back
- Cuffs should not come up excessively high. Estimate 4-6 inches based on proportions of the wearer. Should not reach the bottom of the calf muscle.
- Right side has two loops of the same cuff material holding accurate cylinder greeblies
- Cuff may have loop or buckle on tab at top of cuff (example Corporal Rostok)



7. BLASTER (choose one if allowed by law)
- A300 (carbine, rifle, or sniper) with khaki sling

proposed change:
7. BLASTER (choose one if allowed by law)
- A-280cfe/A-300 (carbine, rifle, or sniper) with khaki sling


- Cylindrical comlink
proposed change
-Crozo 2-MAL comlink
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2020 10:28 am    Post subject: Re: Alliance Infantry Type B (R1) Reply with quote

Niall wrote:


7. BLASTER (choose one if allowed by law)
- A300 (carbine, rifle, or sniper) with khaki sling
https://i.imgur.com/m3OKils.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/XKgikJE.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Ldo7D52.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/GTN02m5.jpg
- DH-17 (with or without stock) with khaki sling. Carbine is preferable over pistol style
https://i.imgur.com/fSgXt1Y.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/tjoG8R8.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/JjE8qgC.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/mhxpDHp.jpg
- Either blaster may have tactical light on right side



PArmstr wrote:


Please do not give one Blaster variation priority over the other. Most of the time we cannot tell which version of the DH-17 is used because we only see the unique silver barrel of it. There are three versions of DH-17 in use in Rogue One. One version is the one Private Kappehl and Corporal Maddel are using. One is the version that Bistan is using in the Visual Guide. It can be seen on the back of the trooper with the rocket launcher. The last version is the one with the shoulder stock which is, as far as I can tell, only used by the trooper that wears only shades of brown and no other color. If you look at the reference you posted with all the R1 DH-17s on the table those are a bunch of the ones Private Kappehl and Corporal Maddel use.



























PArmstr wrote:
Here are more references. As far as I can tell it is only this one guy that has an R1 DH-17 with a shoulder stock which you call a DH-17 carbine. He is also the only trooper that wears only shades of brown and no other colors.












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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2020 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The term "carbine" in this case was used simply to refer to all the larger scaled versions used in R1 (not specifically the one with a stock). They are all notably bigger than the original RFT types (especially those used in the OT)

To that degree, I feel they are different enough to warrant pointing out.
**I am sure there's a better way to say it though**.
In the end, we just want a situation where the smaller version is allowed, but the standard points out that the larger one is more accurate, and thus, a better choice (if practical for the individual)
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2020 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Terran S wrote:
The term "carbine" in this case was used simply to refer to all the larger scaled versions used in R1 (not specifically the one with a stock). They are all notably bigger than the original RFT types (especially those used in the OT)

To that degree, I feel they are different enough to warrant pointing out.
**I am sure there's a better way to say it though**.
In the end, we just want a situation where the smaller version is allowed, but the standard points out that the larger one is more accurate, and thus, a better choice (if practical for the individual)



There was a different DH-17 version in each OT movie so I would just write that DH-17s from all OT movies are permitted but that the three versions from Rogue One are preferred. We should also post references photos of all them.
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2020 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"...so I would just write that DH-17s from all OT movies are permitted but that the three versions from Rogue One are preferred. We should also post references ..."

I like that solution, and figure the references can be plugged in as we go.
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2020 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I mentioned it can be with or without stock. What I think we want to point away from is the ANH DH17 particularly. They're a lot smaller, more like sidearms. The judges recommended I update mine when I first applied.
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2020 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think any updates in naming or details for items that can be seen in other types of Alliance Infantry should apply to all 3 of them.
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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2020 4:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Niall wrote:
I mentioned it can be with or without stock. What I think we want to point away from is the ANH DH17 particularly. They're a lot smaller, more like sidearms. The judges recommended I update mine when I first applied.



The updated CS states

Niall wrote:

https://i.imgur.com/GTN02m5.jpg
- DH-17 (with or without stock) with khaki sling. Carbine is preferable over pistol style
https://i.imgur.com/fSgXt1Y.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/tjoG8R8.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/JjE8qgC.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/mhxpDHp.jpg
- Either blaster may have tactical light on right side


It does not state which of the references is a carbine or pistol so I googled the word carbine as any person would that does not know what a carbine is. Photos of small rifles with shoulder stocks came up so I assumed that was meant. If the larger R1 DH-17 are preferred over the ANH DH-17, ESB DH-17, and ROTJ DH-17 then that has to be written in a way that cannot be miss understood. The CS is also used by people whose native language is not English.

If the costume judges suggested that you update your DH-17 to the larger R1 DH-17 it was out of their own personal preference because the current CS only mentions a DH-17 and does not say which version it has to be. If they ever do not accept an application of a costume only because it has an OT DH-17 and not an R1 DH-17 it could be challenged by going up the chain. That is the reason why we need references for everything we write in the new CS format.


Niall wrote:
I think any updates in naming or details for items that can be seen in other types of Alliance Infantry should apply to all 3 of them.



I agree.
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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2020 7:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think we should make the M69 Flak vest and the open-back vest optional because there are at least two Scarif Marines that do not wear one.




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PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do we have any screen references of the grenade vest or the open-back vest being worn over this bloodstripe jacket? If they have been placed in the older thread they should be moved over to here. Otherwise it appears that only the Cassian-style vest is worn.

I think that a vest of some type should be required for this costume. It is an iconic part of the costume seen on almost every trooper, and the Yavin Ops trooper covers those that want to wear the jacket without a vest.

I think there should be no mention of rank badge. Those who wish to wear a rank badge with this bloodstripe jacket can submit as a Yavin Ops Officer.

Regarding the bloodstripes, raised puff paint seems to be the most accurate and should be added to the standard, though I think that the existing options listed are acceptable. We should decide if pleats are allowed as bloodstripes -- currently this jacket is shared with the Officer detachment in the Yavin Ops Officer, and pleats are NOT accepted over there, and should be specifically listed to avoid making an unfortunate choice.

As for the color of the stripes, the proposed standard says they are all dark. I think we have a typo? The stripes are lighter for the navy and the dark brown jackets.

I think that action back (darts at sleeves) in the shoulders should not be required, for those converting BDU or other civilian jackets. They're just not prominent enough of a costume element to require of everyone, but certainly should be mentioned that they exist and are more accurate.

Also, I would like to propose that the DH-17 be required to be the Rogue One style with the magwell, as opposed to a Rebel Fleet Trooper pistol style with no magwell. The two blasters are distinctively different. The stock should be listed as optional.

Gauntlets are not seen on this jacket type and should not be listed as an option.

Also would like all instances of "blue" be renamed "navy" which is more descriptive and accurate. Blue is too broad of a color and could allow for incorrect shades to be submitted.

Goggles should have "or exact replica" listed.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kievan Mereel wrote:
Do we have any screen references of the grenade vest or the open-back vest being worn over this bloodstripe jacket? If they have been placed in the older thread they should be moved over to here. Otherwise it appears that only the Cassian-style vest is worn.

I think that a vest of some type should be required for this costume. It is an iconic part of the costume seen on almost every trooper, and the Yavin Ops trooper covers those that want to wear the jacket without a vest.

I think there should be no mention of rank badge. Those who wish to wear a rank badge with this bloodstripe jacket can submit as a Yavin Ops Officer.

Regarding the bloodstripes, raised puff paint seems to be the most accurate and should be added to the standard, though I think that the existing options listed are acceptable. We should decide if pleats are allowed as bloodstripes -- currently this jacket is shared with the Officer detachment in the Yavin Ops Officer, and pleats are NOT accepted over there, and should be specifically listed to avoid making an unfortunate choice.

As for the color of the stripes, the proposed standard says they are all dark. I think we have a typo? The stripes are lighter for the navy and the dark brown jackets.

I think that action back (darts at sleeves) in the shoulders should not be required, for those converting BDU or other civilian jackets. They're just not prominent enough of a costume element to require of everyone, but certainly should be mentioned that they exist and are more accurate.

Also, I would like to propose that the DH-17 be required to be the Rogue One style with the magwell, as opposed to a Rebel Fleet Trooper pistol style with no magwell. The two blasters are distinctively different. The stock should be listed as optional.

Gauntlets are not seen on this jacket type and should not be listed as an option.

Also would like all instances of "blue" be renamed "navy" which is more descriptive and accurate. Blue is too broad of a color and could allow for incorrect shades to be submitted.

Goggles should have "or exact replica" listed.



We have references of a Cassian style jacket with a Melshi style open-back vest. I do not know how a grenade vest got in here because it is only worn with either a Melshi style tunic or an anorak (Gorka).

No vest should be necessary with a Cassian style jacket because there are two Marine, one with a cap and on with an M1-helmet in a couple of scene without any type of west.

There should be no rank badge. There is no reference for that.

I disagree about the blood stripes. No specific process of making them should have a preference. Pleads are not forbidden with the Yavin operation Officer they are not specifically mentioned because they fall under the "similar" category.

-Sleeves have blood stripe detail (printed, suede, embroidered, or similar) from shoulder to cuff. Darker brown, grey-blue, and olive jackets have tan stripes, and lighter brown jackets have darker brown stripes.

I agree with the blood stripe colors. Brown and olive jackets have lighter stripe such as tan. Tan jackets have darker stripes and blue jackets have light blue or gray stripes.

The action pleat should only be mandatory if someone creates a version with open-back west or does not wear a vest at all. For everyone that has a Cassian style vest action pleat should be optional.

Not all Rogue One DH-17 have magazines. The Bistan style blaster and the DH-17 with the M4 shoulder stock seam to not have a magazine or at least a smaller one than the DH-17 that Private Kappehl and Corporal Maddel in the visual guide carry.

Yes, you are right. Gauntlets are only worn with either the Melshi style tunic or the anorak (Gorka).

I would prefer dark blue for the BDU pants because "navy" is not the correct color either. The blue used in Rogue One is very unusual and will not be found in a fabric store.














Version One:



Version Two:



Version Three:



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2020 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This has not been questioned yet but here is the reference for why we are changing the cap colors to blue, tan/khaki, and brown. The current CS says

Hoth-style soft cap in coyote brown or blue with replica communication device and tactical goggles. Replica communication device must be proportional to the wearer. Goggles may have clear, smoke, or yellow tinted lenses.








Edit 06/25/2020
I think the cap color is more tan than khaki because this Pathfinder's pants, vest, jacket, and cap are all almost the same color. He is wearing the same jacket as Lt. Sefla that looks a yellowish tan and not khaki in all references we have.











Lieutenant Taido Sefla













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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2020 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Flak vest (Cassian Andor style)
- M69 style flak vest
- Combadge on left chest
- Pouch on left chest under combadge
- Diagonal slash pocket on right chest
- Accurate adjustment strapping
- Blue or khaki
- Yellow OR red/white shoulder detail
- Khaki vests may not have shoulder detail


Im missing brown vest with red and white shoulder detail...


There are some Khaki Vests with red and withe Shoulder Details too ...

There are some references with those versions
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2020 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Flak vest (Cassian Andor style)
- M69 style flak vest
- Combadge on left chest
- Pouch on left chest under combadge
- Diagonal slash pocket on right chest
- Accurate adjustment strapping
- Blue or khaki
- Yellow OR red/white shoulder detail
- Khaki vests may not have shoulder detail


Im missing brown vest with red and white shoulder detail...


There are some Khaki Vests with red and withe Shoulder Details too ...

There are some references with those versions
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