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Brack Daddy (Brack Lee)
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I enjoy being a part of both the Mountain Garrison and Mountain Base, although I have much more experience coordinating events and administrating tasks in an official capacity within the Mountain Garrison.

The Mountain Garrison opens up a majority of MG events for Rebel Legion participation. (I estimate about 90%)

The Mountain Garrison has created special access to Rebel Legion members to private areas of the Mountain Garrison forums for any RL member who requests access.

During the SkySox event, the Pikes Peak Squad even secured table space for the Mountain Base.

Yes, the Mountian Garrison does do some things individually including having a unique booth space at conventions. At StarFest last year, the Mountain Garrison CO approached the Mountian Base CO about utilizing a shared space at Denver Comic Con. That sort of happened, sort of not, but still was a successful first year event for both groups.

Put simply, sometimes each club is going to put forth thier individual effort and encourage and support the other clubs in what they do. Other times, we enjoy working together. Even the majority of current active Mountain Base members are dual members. Is there a rift within the very soul of these members?

As MGCO, I ask what does the Mountain Base request from the 501st?
As MGCO, I ask what would the Mountain Base like to offer the 501st?
And finally, is that any different than what occurs now?

Each club has the opporunity to grow and become more successful.



Beyond that, I have to ask this question for everyone to ponder...
Are there some instances where a percieved RL vs. 501st mentality could actually be more of a personality conflict between individuals regardless of club or costume?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brack Daddy wrote:


Beyond that, I have to ask this question for everyone to ponder...
Are there some instances where a percieved RL vs. 501st mentality could actually be more of a personality conflict between individuals regardless of club or costume?


Good point, Brack. That's probably a player in the mix.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow. I haven’t seen this much activity on the board/thread for some time. For a minute I thought I was in another website.

Dan, Welcome back to the boards. It’s nice to see my MG SL posting over here. It’s been awhile.

Bill, Great to hear from you over here. Hope to see you on January 19th.

Just a reminder regarding the uprising of this issue again. A new member asked questions regarding the MB/MG relationship after reading posts in the StarFest thread in the public section. He was concerned because one member was saying one thing and our XO’s reply was quite different and very informative.

Also please try not to treat assumptions or beliefs as facts. Posting an assumption or a belief does not make it a fact as our XO pointed out in a reply post. I would like everyone who post to have creditability.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I plan on being more active on the MB boards and see if I can do my part as a member here in making our RL succeed.

There is great potential in this group and we need to become more active.

I am super busy over with our sister group and that has hampered my time here and that, for my part, was wrong.

The membership in the Pikes Peak area is growing which means we have the potential to bring in more events with our community.

I also believe that the relationship between us and the MG can be improved through communication, sharing and assisting each other with our events. But, that takes members time and energy to do so.

Are we willing to step up and do our part as MB members to make our events succeed? I know that both groups struggle with getting members to be a POC. A POC can be a simple task when it comes to smaller events and can range all the way up to very time consuming with larger events like Starfest and DCC. But the reward for the energy spent is well worth it. To see and event go off without a hitch and bring in funds for a charity or put smiles on the faces of children is far greater a reward than the energy put in.

The challenge we face is 1) Getting our members to get on the boards 2) Getting the word out about the RL/MB and what we do 3) Getting members to attend the events for the pure joy of it 4) RECRUIT.

Alex is not wrong about the fun and joy of Trooping. Somehow we are letting our members down with the negative talk and spreading of bad feelings.

I am game for making this work, but it takes a team to create the environment we are striving for. Is anyone else on board?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey everyone,

I didn't mean to stir the pot by responding to Tony's post in the Starfest thread. I just posted facts that I see have been going on over the past couple of years which are not necessarily bad things. None of us should judge MG for acting in its own interests.

Mountain Base has done well over the past few years. We been working out our own identity, getting our own troops and gaining new members. We do have new members.

Why aren't we as active as the MG? Well, there are fewer MB only members. We dont get contacted as much about events and although the RL and 501st command both stated that there are no 501st or RL only troops, it still seems to be a topic. If a joint member wants to troop as an Xwing pilot at a troop with 5 TK's at a MG troop is that OK? Or is it frowned upon and they are expected to be in an Imperial costume? I have been to several events where there will be 5 pilots and a TK shows up. I have not seen friction either way. I think many of us see both groups as the same. They both have pretty much the same folks in both groups that troop the same events. I honestly do think there is an identity crisis when joint members wear an imperial costume and dont know why there arent as many rebels representing. I am totally guilty of it, I loves me some Jango. I am also guilty of not being active with the MG. Thats something I will change in the near future.


What can the MG do for MB? Lets share... tables, troops and get along.
What can the MB do for MG? Lets share... tables, troops and get along.


Remember, we do this for fun. If you read all of these posts we are all saying the same thing. We all want to get along.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

darthhair wrote:
What can the MG do for MB? Lets share... tables, troops and get along.
What can the MB do for MG? Lets share... tables, troops and get along.


From a GCO perspective, I agree but with reservations to aspects about convention booths. First off, I love the idea about having a united Star Wars presence at conventions. However, I also see the need for each club to have an individual personality and voice.

Given the legacy established at StarFest by the 501st, I think that combining booth space et al. at that event would cause a whole lot of friction within Garrison membership - however that doesn't mean we can't do other things to still make the overall presence of Star Wars groups at StarFest more united. We can take great fun advantage of having Imperials on one side of the corridor and Rebels on the other.

However, at younger events like Denver Comic Con, we have the opportunity to start with a clean slate and reinvent how the various area clubs work together. That's the very reason I suggested that at last year's StarFest, and to a degree it's what ended up happening at DCC. But we also had lacking communication and had run out of time to do anything more significant. With the ideas that Zoo has this year, particularly if we can incorporate participation from Wings Over The Rockies, we have great potential to rock Denver Comic Con unlike any other fan base.

So yeah, work together to promote the uniqueness of each club. (Including the RMFF)

I would much rather put things said in 2008 and any minority remnants of those comments that remain in the past, and focus on positive outcomes of the future. Individual perspectives do not represent a whole group - and honestly I haven't seen hardly any of that prejudice for years.

And much like our Base XO, I don't see such a negative shadow within either club.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One thing I noticed last year at StarFest that also casued some hard feelings (and I will readily admit I did this), was that we decided to split the dinner.

After working for a couple of years having a RL/501st dinner, the invitation or working or whatever, was declined for 2012. I know I saw on this forum there were good reasons for it. Some did not like the food, some wanted their own thing, and some wanted to help create that "identity."

Regardless of the intent, it was seen by some as a slap in the face. The MG had a few members bust their BUTTS to get all the things right for the dinner, and when it was time, another option was decided upon, and we had separate dinner.

Is this a bad thing? No way.

Was it interpreted as a slight to the MG? Probably.

Now we look at 2013 StarFest, and as one of those who worked VERY hard both in time and in money to get this working, dinner was considered being changed again, or scrapped, or altered significantly. What I realized is that change is hard. I took offense that something Nessa and I had put so much time and energy into was possibly being cast aside, without any "thanks for all the work" these past few years. Just complaints and "let's do something else" or "Garcia's sucks" or "Anything but Garcia's, I hate it!!." I realized I was taking it way too personal, because these were 501st members. My peers that just were looking for an alternative, but I took it as a slap in the face. I should not do that, nor should the MG take it that way when things change.

The point is, we as individuals take pride in what we have created, and we get our pride hurt when it changes. The MB is growing and continues to be something to be proud of. The MG has seen a lot of stagnation (with the exception of the PPS) in the last year or so, and people are drifting apart. People don't post, people don't interact, and the few that do don't see the need or desire to create an open and inviting environment. I have not seen this with the MB, and I think the "animosity" being spoken about is probably due to others wondering why the MG is not as welcoming as it has been, and then projecting that to other people and groups.

It is called being introspective, and really, the issues we all see and hear are actual MG members. I hate to say it, but it is true. I can guarantee at least a dozen MG members would want nothing better than the MB to just disappear and for all of us to go back to it being JUST the 501st. It is true, it is real, and it is not right. But, it exists, and while that is there, people will see and feel that many times over.

I like the Joint Ops events, and I am glad we have it. I don't like the animosity that comes with some who don't like it, and I REALLY don't like members talking down or being rude to RL only or dual members.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. There are those in both groups that would like to see the Joint/Ops go away. There are those in both groups that would like the other to go away.

Where both clubs have work to do is in making sure the negative voices are not the voices who speak for the club.

This thread is showing that there are very passionate members here who want nothing more than for the MB to thrive as well as the relationship with the MG to become stronger. And there is no need why we cannot have both.

This is just the beginning of what is a road to the MB growing and thriving. With the voices that I am reading here we are going to start taking the steps to becoming a strong force in our community.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 1:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well said Scott and Dan. Scott the 501st dinner that I attended in 2011 was pretty cool. I was not able to attend as a MG member in 2012 because it was at the same time as the R2KT auction and I had a lot invested in items I donated and items I wanted to procure. I hope there is a dinner this year, and I hope I can go. Its pretty cool to be able to pat each other on the back for the good we do.

I know that no one in the RL thought twice about RL only members not being invited. No big deal. There were no hard feelings on the light side. You made sure that duel members were invited.

Dan, I cant imagine any members wanting the other side to go away. There aren't a lot of non duel members so if there is anyone that feels that way, thats pretty messed up. I for one dont see one without the other, plus I am a member of 4 local fan groups and dont know why there are any issues at all.

I was in Texas last year for Fan Days and I saw the saddest separation of RL/501st. The 501st were on one floor, in a room, by themselves and the RL was with the rest of the fan tables. I saw only 2 or 3 501st members come by the RL table. When I went through the 501st room in my pilot I got a cold shoulder. I actually asked someone in the 501st room why the groups were not together they said its just the way they do it. When I asked the RL folks the same question they said "good question".

DCC would be a great opportunity to have the Star Wars costuming groups together and not seem like a couple of people here and a couple of people there. For a con that had 27,000 people through the door all of the star wars groups looked kind of sad.

I think there are a few things as far as joint ops go we could do in the future. Maybe a game between the RL/ 501st and con goers, inter mingling photo time. Maybe some joint fliers and give aways.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 5:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brack,

Since SF is a no-go and from my last conversation with a DCC representative (regarding the SW wall being there again), lets commit to being side by side for this event. I will not be in town for this event and have asked for a volunteer to be the POC. As soon as someone signs up for this position, you’ll be contact. Of course this is all based on MG’s OK.

As for another new major event, GalaxyFest, Dan and I talked about it today and having it as joint ops but there were no promises due to location, what the event coordinator and POC may request/want. It would be nice to see a SW wall at this event too.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 12:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like fun.

DCC would be a great place for some flash scenes as well. We could easily set up something like a set of troopers escorting Leia in binders through the convention, and then moments later have Leia and a set of RFTs escort the stormtroopers in binders in the other direction.

I know something like this was done at the St. Pat's parade in '08, but it had mixed reaction because some of the participants didn't know about it in advance. With a little advance planning and communication we can definitely have some fun.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 12:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brack Daddy wrote:

DCC would be a great place for some flash scenes as well. We could easily set up something like a set of troopers escorting Leia in binders through the convention, and then moments later have Leia and a set of RFTs escort the stormtroopers in binders in the other direction.


I like this idea!
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 5:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bakanomiko wrote:
Brack Daddy wrote:

DCC would be a great place for some flash scenes as well. We could easily set up something like a set of troopers escorting Leia in binders through the convention, and then moments later have Leia and a set of RFTs escort the stormtroopers in binders in the other direction.


I like this idea!


Or we could do the opposite and have some RFT's with stormtroopers in binders first, and follow up with TKs dragging the dead RFT's across the floor with a saddened/angry Leia in binders on her way to jail.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 7:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brack Daddy wrote:
bakanomiko wrote:
Brack Daddy wrote:

DCC would be a great place for some flash scenes as well. We could easily set up something like a set of troopers escorting Leia in binders through the convention, and then moments later have Leia and a set of RFTs escort the stormtroopers in binders in the other direction.


I like this idea!


Or we could do the opposite and have some RFT's with stormtroopers in binders first, and follow up with TKs dragging the dead RFT's across the floor with a saddened/angry Leia in binders on her way to jail.
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I'm waiting to see if I get this weekend confirmed off. I put in my request, but we will definitely have a shift bid between now and DCC, and I don't want to take POC if I cannot commit to being present.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm glad to see discussions moving in a positive direction. Cool We really have made a lot of progress over the years, and I love the idea of using DCC as a new model in joint operations at a Con.

I understand why and how the separation works at Starfest. It works, and the RMFF and MB have a good track record of working together on the left, while the MG does what they do so well on the the right. It works, and it is what it is. It's all good, in my book.

Regarding the dinner, I'll leave that to those who want to organize it. I think it has always been well done, and fun. Yes, the MB should eventually do their own... maybe at DCC this year? (just spitballing there.)



And just as a minor head's up about joint operations.... there is the annual St. Patrick's Day parade coming up. Zoo has asked me to take the lead on coordinating the groups at the parade. She will be unable to attend this year. I have started some conversations with leaders in the groups, and will put more information in new threads in the near future. It should be just as much fun as it has been in year's past. Maybe better, if the parking situation is improved. Smile
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