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The A-wing/B-wing Pilot Arm Pocket

 
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 9:27 pm    Post subject: The A-wing/B-wing Pilot Arm Pocket Reply with quote

It's been a little while so I thought I'd give this another go, and see if we can't figure something out about this strange pocket that appears in the Star Wars Character Encyclopedia on the A-wing pilot as well as Ten Numb and Nien Nunb (and the white pre-production flightsuit pictures). If the pocket exists on the movie-used costumes as well, I'd assume that the pocket would also appear on the Y-wing pilot coveralls (if it's on the A-wing and B-wing pilot coveralls), but I can't say that with any certainty.

Anyhow, the pocket I'm referring to is the one shown below. It's most clearly visible on the A-wing pilot...



But as I mentioned, you can also see it on Nien Nunb and Ten Numb (you have to zoom in a lot to see them)...


The pocket is also visible on the pre-production pictures of Ten Numb in the white flightsuit... Though, granted, the pictures in the SWCE are just the pre-production pictures with the flightsuit Photoshopped red...


The pocket might also appear on the A-wing pilot flightsuit from JedHead's picture, but I can't tell for certain...


I've been staring at the pictures for quite some time trying to figure out what exactly the pocket looks like and what kind of pocket it is. That, and I've been trying to figure out if it even appears on the flightsuits used in Return of the Jedi or if it only appears in pre-production pictures... Though the latter is, of course, relatively impossible to figure out. It's obviously not a code cylinder/rank cylinder pocket but beyond that I can't tell anything.

Does anyone have any idea as to what this make might be exactly?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 7:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hm, to be honest:
I always thought (and still think) that ALL rebel pilot overalls have the same code cylinder pocket on the left upper arm.

Why?
If there are not enought pics that clearly show the opposite I prefer to simplify things! That makes it easier for those creating a costume AND brings a more common look to the "flying personal"...

I don´t like to stick to the Character Encyclopedia as there are so many pics that clearly are photoshopped, not to forget that this is a "childrens book"...
And the existing exhibition pics show a lot of "strange" equipment combinations...

So, I try to keep it "simple & stupid" and say:
All rebel pilots have the same code cylinder pockets. Razz
But thats just my point of view...
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And indeed they may have the code cylinder pockets... But because the outfits clearly don't have commpad pockets, it does make me wonder...

Not to mention that all of these weren't made to have a lot of screen time, they were all just background characters so I can't see the customers putting a lot of time and effort into adding all the pockets and what-not to the flightsuits that people aren't even going to see... So it makes me wonder if that "strange pocket" is something that is already on the flightsuits when they were purchased? Or did the costumers themselves add it?

What's more, there could be a lot of variation, I suppose. Some flightsuits could have had this "strange pocket", some could have had the code cylinder pocket, others may not have had any at all.

I just wish I knew for certain...
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 11:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just wish I knew for certain...

HeHe, I don´t know you "face to face", but yes - THIS is you!

You make me thinking of a bloodhound - once you have a track, you have to find the source! (I hope you understand what I mean! Razz )
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 6:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, you're not the first person to say something like that. Laughing

What can I say? I'm a perfectionist. I have a habit of trying to make things "perfect" to the point of driving myself crazy. And not to mention that I love anything that has to do with a B-wing, so that makes it even worse. Heh heh.

Though I have sworn to myself that once I finish the third version of my B-wing pilot outfit, aside from very minor changes or paint touch-ups, that's it, no more major changes. Honestly, I'm getting a little tired of working on it and making new, big things for it. >>;;

But the coveralls are something I've wanted to change for a while. I'm not fond of the pink tint they have, and they're a little too big for me now after I've lost some weight, anyway. I thought I'd try to figure out the pockets-- thought I might as well if I'm going to be getting a new pair of coveralls/flightsuit.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm... I wonder if the pocket could be something like one of these...?








Really big image: http://www.defense.gov/DODCMSShare/NewsStoryPhoto/2007-09/hrs_070904-F-0193C-007.JPG
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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2014 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From looking at the pics i would not put it past you aka i agree
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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2014 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blue Banshee Leader wrote:
.......I'm not fond of the pink tint they have.


Forget to separate your Reds in the laundry??

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blue Banshee Leader wrote:
Hmm... I wonder if the pocket could be something like one of these...?




My she looks fetching..... Wink

ANYWAY.
Yes, HER arm pocket is closest, almost identical except no small zipper pocket in the front of it, to the A/B/Y-wing suits. I've seen a photo of the real deal, wish I had it, but that much I can tell you. I did my last run of A-wing suits for the base like this.... also omitting the right arm pocket and commpad pocket of the X-wing.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I got lucky and was able to see the pic of the real suit as well, Philonius Smile
The whole suit was tailored after a "K-2B 1967 Viet Nam era US military flight suit".
The legs, however were simplified with the regular X-Wing style thigh pockets...and a seam in the knee area....but many of the details from the K-2B are there.
The K-2B was also used for the first Ghostbusters movie as worn by Spangler, Stanz and Venkman.

Here are some reference pics with some highlights I added to further the cause:











So here's a K2-B...with all the details from the costume that are already there plus the ones that were added


and the left arm pocket


I'm getting one made by my tailor in mid-September...I'll post pics when it's done Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2016 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aren't there photos of the Bwing and Awing where it shows the pockets aren't the same?

Awing has puckered edges, Bwing is squared and layered isn't it?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2016 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tigerantilles wrote:
Aren't there photos of the Bwing and Awing where it shows the pockets aren't the same?

Awing has puckered edges, Bwing is squared and layered isn't it?


I haven't seen that pocket for the B-Wing...but A-Wing and RotJ Y-Wing have exactly those K-2B armpockets.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 6:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, the arm pockets are somewhat different between the A-wing and B-wing. The arm pockets are actually the same for the B-wing and Y-wing. The pockets for all are a similar design, the pen pocket with the four divided sections, but the B-wing and Y-wing had the expanded portion removed (along with the zipper, of course) and were sewn down flat. The A-wing retains the expanding bottom but the bottom of it is rounded instead of squared.

So they are the pen pockets seen on most flightsuits, just modified in various ways.
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