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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Was about to check the bluray myself, thanks for posting that.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 4:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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to me the pants look like tan bdus similar to the erts minus the camo paint. and i can't make it out, does the crewman even have gaiters?


the deleted scenes action figure is made with tan BDU pants.
But then the action figure has a flapped pocket where the right side rank badge goes, too.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now that computer analysis of the images shows that the "Demolitions" variant has a separate no-button shirt and pants, it reminds me of the "Rebel Vanguard" heavy weapons trooper from Battlefront I. I think they're supposed to be the same uniform, except that in the game they made the jacket black to look more like the Rebel Fleet Trooper. I always wondered why it extended over the shoulders, when the RFT of course does not. If they started with our "Demolitions" trooper as the source then did a simple recolor it makes perfect sense. Even the belt pouches match.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dewka wrote:
firebatt wrote:
to me the pants look like tan bdus similar to the erts minus the camo paint. and i can't make it out, does the crewman even have gaiters?


the deleted scenes action figure is made with tan BDU pants.
But then the action figure has a flapped pocket where the right side rank badge goes, too.


Action figures should not be used for reference unless absolutely necessary due to Hasbro's tendency to kitbash and reuse old parts instead of tooling new ones and even when they do that accuracy can be questionable.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kievan Mereel wrote:
Now that computer analysis of the images shows that the "Demolitions" variant has a separate no-button shirt and pants, it reminds me of the "Rebel Vanguard" heavy weapons trooper from Battlefront I. I think they're supposed to be the same uniform, except that in the game they made the jacket black to look more like the Rebel Fleet Trooper. I always wondered why it extended over the shoulders, when the RFT of course does not. If they started with our "Demolitions" trooper as the source then did a simple recolor it makes perfect sense. Even the belt pouches match.




Interesting. I am not a game player so this is all new to me, but i find it odd that the (grey) gaiters even have the black clips.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I originally thought that the "shirt/pants" crewer was wearing bdu's similar to the Computer Tech in the Home One briefing scene, but the Falcon hallway deleted scenes tell a different story...no pockets (see below). Also note the color differences between the shirt/pants and worksuits which were light grey. I would say that the shirt/pants were tan. Finally, I would suggest that we simply call this character "Falcon Crew" instead of gunner/demolitions expert. I also think that Cracken (wearing shirt/pants) shows leadership in the hallways, so maybe the shirt/pant outfit denotes officers???







Notice the Hoth badges on the bottom two images plus a good look at the collar closure in the last image!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

brand-new screengrabs. Awesome!! Looks like the Hoth badge is on the grey coverall.

If a change in nomenclature is made to Falcon Crew as an overall classification, I feel it should be split into the two categories, vs having Falcon Gunner as a separate costume.

thanks for posting these images, they show a great level of detail
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great screen caps, Todd!

I could see the Hoth badges as an optional item for Demolition Gunners. Thoughts on that?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I agree that the Hoth badges should only be optional. I tried to see if they were on all of the various actors, but the results are inconclusive. The Sullustan crewer did not have the Hoth badge I'm pretty sure.

From a military standpoint, I don't see why there were demolition people on the Falcon unless they planned to land in the Death Star!

Commander Cody wrote:
Great screen caps, Todd!

I could see the Hoth badges as an optional item for Demolition Gunners. Thoughts on that?

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Commander Cody wrote:
Great screen caps, Todd!

I could see the Hoth badges as an optional item for Demolition Gunners. Thoughts on that?


I have no issues with it being optional. but since it's only seen on the standard coverall and we cannot see it (even if it is there) on the collared shirt and pants, I feel it should be limited to only the mandarin-collared coveralls.

I have thoughts on what we are naming these additional assigned crew.

Cracken manned a turret so gunner would be correct.
He also is seen carrying a crate on board...but a crate of what--while wearing the Endor helmet.

What role would the additional crewman provide on the Falcon that is routinely operated with a crew of two? I see the turrett gunners, but unless there's some canon that Im missing, the missiles are controlled from the flight deck.

There are, by my count, five people on the Falcon: Lando, two Sullustans, and two Humans. I may be wrong and there may be more. But---what is their function?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dewka wrote:
Commander Cody wrote:
Great screen caps, Todd!

I could see the Hoth badges as an optional item for Demolition Gunners. Thoughts on that?


I have no issues with it being optional. but since it's only seen on the standard coverall and we cannot see it (even if it is there) on the collared shirt and pants, I feel it should be limited to only the mandarin-collared coveralls.

I have thoughts on what we are naming these additional assigned crew.

Cracken manned a turret so gunner would be correct.
He also is seen carrying a crate on board...but a crate of what--while wearing the Endor helmet.

What role would the additional crewman provide on the Falcon that is routinely operated with a crew of two? I see the turrett gunners, but unless there's some canon that Im missing, the missiles are controlled from the flight deck.

There are, by my count, five people on the Falcon: Lando, two Sullustans, and two Humans. I may be wrong and there may be more. But---what is their function?


Based on the deleted scene images, there are three human crewers so the total count would be six.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 1:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i think if we can assign them a function we will have a better idea of the terminology for the costume
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I gotta say that this is a GREAT discussion and so many new things coming to light...

Thanks to all who are participating!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dewka wrote:
i think if we can assign them a function we will have a better idea of the terminology for the costume


See, I'm still not convinced that we need separate terminology for the shirt/pants variant. Maybe have it under the Endor Gunner costume standard and be listed as a variant or other option, much like the Endor Commandos.

Opinions?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thats certainly a possibility.

if it is decided to go that direction, it will be the most wide-ranging costume with the most options of any that I can think of, and I used to be a GML !
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