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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2014 10:34 pm    Post subject: Are Jedi costumes from commercial vendors okay? Reply with quote

Are Jedi costumes from commercial vendors okay?

I get asked this question at least twice a week...so I thought it was prudent to make a post on this topic. My post is part personal opinion and part official statement from the Rebel Legion Membership Officer...and is the opinion of the current Jedi Legion Costume Judges.

While this posts focuses on Jedi costumes, the basic idea or answer here applies to all commercially available costumes for the Rebel Legion.

So...are Jedi costumes from commercial vendors okay? Bottom line...it depends.

There are many commercial vendors that make Jedi costumes, but some of the more common ones that I get asked about are buyallhappy (ebay) kjaereliten (ebay), Costume Base (ebay), customprops (ebay) and Etsy (private site)

Some of the typical problems we see with these costumes include:

-Cheap, thin fabric that can be see through, depending on the color or the outer and inner tunics. This can be fixed by adding a liner, which isn't terribly difficult, but will cost more money.

-The costumes don't fit, which happens for our very small (skinny) or "plus sized" Jedi. Interestingly, some of these vendors who make "custom" Jedi costumes are not telling the truth. They make small, medium, large and extra-large costumes, then...based on your measurements, will send you one off the rack that should best fit you. If you're very skinny or very fat, then no off-the-rack costume will look right on your body without modifications.

REMEMBER: Above almost everything else, the costume needs to fit your body. There are basic measurements (widths, lengths, shapes, etc.) of costume components, but...if your body type is outside the range for these measurements, then these components need to be sized appropriately. For example: it is generally agreed upon that the (inner/wider) Jedi belt is 2.25" wide. If you are under 5'5" and weight under 120 pounds, then you might need a belt that is thinner to look right. Or, if you are over 6'3" and/or weight more than 225 lbs (basically, if your waist measurement is larger than about 50") you might need a wider belt to look right.

-The skirt portion of the outer tunic is too form fitting and/or too short...which is near impossible to fix, because you need more fabric. Many vendors have used the basic "Halloween" costume pattern for Jedi, which are NOT screen accurate. Even the much sought after Simplicity 4450 pattern isn't screen accurate. This is why I modified a Simplicity 4450 pattern to be screen accurate for OWK and posted it as a tutorial for others to use (since this pattern is no longer available). To day, this particular tutorial has over 45,600 views.

-The tabards are made straight, which then don't hang right without some effort. For many people, the "Y" shaped tabard hangs best.

On the other hand...

Have we ever seen someone take an one of these commercially available Jedi costumes out of the box, put it on, make pictures and they are approved without modifications? Yes. But, this generally doesn't happen, and...if you buy one of these costumes, don't be alarmed if you have to do some mods for Rebel Legion approval.

The basic rule of thumb should be: If you can stand next to OWK, Anakin or Windu from any of the prequel films, and your costume is equally stunning, then you're okay. If this isn't the case, then...well, you have some mods to make.

Here are some pictures from these vendors, with some comments. These comments are my personal opinion, where I am being very criticial:

buyallhappy (ebay)


This costume is advertised as an Obi-Wan Kenobi ROTS costume. As you can see, this is no where near screen accurate for OWK ROTS. The costume might not be bad for a generic Jedi, but...be aware this is a super cheap costume.


This picture shows that the outer tunic is lined, which is showing. This will not pass approval for the Rebel Legion. In addition, with respect to OWK ROTS, the material is not a crinkle gauze type fabric.


And their robe is horrible. The robe is too short, not nearly full enough and the hood is too small.

CostumeBase (ebay)


This costume is advertised as an Anakin ROTS. As you can see, the black leather tabards, alone, would not allow this costume to be approve without modification. There are other problems with this costume. It could be okay for Generic Jedi, assuming it fits the wearer.


Here are the pouches and belt that comes with this costume. This belt and pouches are not screen accurate and are not being approved for face character Jedi.


Like the robe above, the design is all wrong, the hood and robe aren't full enough and it's too short.

CustomProps (private vendor)


Custom Props actually does make costumes based on your measurements and they do a REALLY good job. But there is one serious problem with their Anakin ROTS costume...see next picture...


The fabric is more of a corduroy type fabric, rather than a crinkle guaze. It is truly a beautiful costume, but the Rebel Legion and the 501st are not currently accepting this costume based on the fabric. Can it be used for a Generic Jedi? Sadly, no...because the outer tunic sleeve under the glove hand is fitted. Generic Jedi cannot use the Anakin glove, so...the whole sleeve would need to be remade...which is impractical. However, knowing this, you could have customprops make you an "Anakin" type costume with two full outer tunic sleeves. But...you're also spending over $500 for this ensemble.



This is advertised as "Jedi" by customprops. Look at the detail of the satin type linning. A very beautiful costume.

kjaereliten (ebay)



Here's two selections from kjaereliten. Nice looking costumes. And take a look at the bottom picture...the fabric is rather plain and not representative of the kinds of fabrics seen in the films. I will say that Kellie messaged me and assured me that she does make these costumes to fit (based on measurements), and that nothing is "off the rack". And Kellie also makes a good point in that, the cost of the costumes is based on the fabric. The cheaper fabrics may be more "plain" while the more expensive fabrics (or costumes with liners) will cost more.

Etsy (private vendor)


Etsy offers a number of different styles. These costume are (for the most part) well made (but be sure to look at the next picture). The costume from this site are not terribly expensive, and we do have folks that buy from here that are eventually approved for membership. Some of these costumes are advertised for face characters. BEWARE of anyone advertising face character costumes.


Another from Etsy. Note the thin material on the outer tunic allowing the darker inner tunic to show through. Submitting this costume would require adding a liner on the outer tunic for it to be approved for the Rebel Legion.

Also, on the Etsy website, it says:
"I do reproductions of these costumes for the Rebel Legion and the 501st memberships for the serious costumers trying to join these clubs..."

This DOES NOT mean that the costumes made from this vendor will be approved by the Rebel Legion or 501st. No one can make this claim! The Rebel Legion (nor the 501st) does not endorse any vendor (not even our own members (like myself) who make custom, screen accurate props and costumes)...period.

So please be aware of anyone that tells you their costumes are "approved by the Rebel Legion". Just because you buy one of their costume, DOES NOT guarantee you, dressed in their costume, would be approved for membership.

I hope this sheds some light on buying costumes from commercial vendors.

As always, feel free to PM me any questions you may have.
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2014 2:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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SithariRog wrote:
Es factible comprar vestimenta Jedi que provienen de vendedores comerciales?

Fue prudente para mi hacer este hilo ya que me han preguntado varias veces sobre el particular. Como una opinion personal y como una declaración al ser Oficial de Membresia de la Rebel Legion...y es la opinión actual de nuestros jurados de vestimenta

Como este hilo se enfoca en las vestimentas Jedi, la idea basica o la respuesta aplica a todos las vestimentas que esten disponible comercialmente entiendase que puedan ser utilizadas para Rebel Legion.

Entonces...Es factible comprar vestimenta Jedi que provienen de vendedores comerciales? Esencialmente...depende.

Existen muchos vendedores comerciales que crean las vestimentas,pero los mas comunes a los cuales recibo mucha referencia como buyallhappy (ebay) kjaereliten (ebay), Costume Base (ebay), customprops (ebay) y Etsy (página privada)


Uno de los problemas tipicos que podemos encontrar son :


-Fabricas de bajo costo y no fiables que resulten ser translucentes, dependiendo del color de la tunica interior y exterior. Por suerte estan pueden ser arregladas utilizando liner (forro), el cual no es dificil de trabajar, pero seria contraproducente ya que gastarias mas dinero.

-El comprar la vestimenta puede resultar que no sea el tamaño adecuado para uno, el cual pasa con nuestros miembros de tallas pequeñas o grandes. Lo curioso, es que algunos de estos vendedores que aseguran crear la vestimenta de acuerdo a tu talla exacta se dejan llevar por una talla estandar que mejor se acomode a tu cuerpo. Lo cual crea un gran problema ya que personas muy delgadas o muy gruesas no caen en este estandar de tallas y aqui comienzan los problemas .

RECUERDEN: Lo mas importante de tu vestimenta es que esta quede entallada a tu cuerpo segun tus dimensiones. Existen medidas exactas (ancho, largo, forma, etc.) de los componentes de la vestimenta ... pero.. si tu tipo de cuerpo esta fuera de estos estandares, entonces es mandatorio hacer los arreglos necesarios para que la vestimenta quede lo mas apropiado posible. Por ejemplo: esta generalmente aceptado que la correa Jedi sea 2.25" ancho.Pero si mides menos de 5'5" y pesas menos de 120 libras, necesitarias entonces una correa menos ancha por cuestiones de estetica. Otro ejemplo si mides mas de 6'3" y pesas mas de 225 libras (basicamente tu cintura debe medir alrededor de 50", es necesario utilizar una correa mas ancha.

-La falda de la tunica exterior es muy ceñido al cuerpo y corto..el cual ya este producto final es imposible de arreglar ya que habria que añadir mas fabrica. Muchos vendedores han utilizado este patron basico para disfraces de Halloween de Jedi lo cual no son correctos segun los requerimientos de la Rebel Legion. Ni tan siquiera el patron Simplicity 4450 es adecuado. Es por esto que modifique el patron Simplicity 4450 para que fuera preciso para OWK y lo postie como un tutorial para que otros pudieran dejarse llevar por este patron modificado(ya que este patron originalmente no existe). Al dia de hoy, este tutorial ha sido visto alrededor de 45,600 veces.

-Los tabards estan construidos paralelos (fijos) , lo cual no se acomodan bien a menos que haya un soporte. Para muchas personas le resulta mejor hacer los tabards en forma de "Y".
Por otra parte...

Acaso hemos visto personas que compraron su vestimenta online y estos han sido aprobados sin hacerle ningun tipo de modificacion? Si. Pero, este no es siempre el caso ,y...si compras una de estas vestimentas, no te sorprendas si te exigen modificarlo para aprobacion.

La regla basica de oro seria: Si puedes pararte al lado de OWK, Anakin o Windu de cualquiera de las prequelas, y tu vestimenta es excelente, entonces estas bien. Si este no es el caso ,, entonces modificaciones debes hacer.


Aqui les proveo las imagenes de las vestimentas de los vendedores online con algunos comentarios. Estos comentarios son personalmente mios.

buyallhappy (ebay)


Esta vestimenta esta anunciada como un traje de Obi-Wan Kenobi ROTS. Como pueden ver no es preciso ni se acerca al de OWK ROTS. La vestimenta no se ve mal para ser utilizada como un jedi generico, pero...tengan cuidado .. es un traje de Baja calidad.


La imagen muestra la tunica exterior rayada, lo cual se ve a simple vista. Esta no seria aprobada por la Legion. En adicion, con respect a OWK ROTS, el material no es gaza (fabrica, tela)


La sotana (robe) es horrible, muy corta y con la capucha pequeña.
CostumeBase (ebay)


Esta vestimenta esta anunciada como un Anakin ROTS. Como pueden apreciar, los tabards de cuero, asi como estan, es prohibido aprobarlas sin haber hecho la modificacion requerida. Existen otros problemas con esta vestimenta. Se veria bien como uno jedi generico asumiendo que esta le quede bien al miembro..


Estos son los estuches y la correa que trae la vestimenta. Estan tampoco serian aprobadas para un face character.


Como la otra sotana , el diseño es totalmente incorrecto, la sotana y la capucha son muy cortas y pequeñas.

CustomProps (vendedor privado)


Actualmente Custom Props si hace vestimentas y accesorios a la medida y exigencias del comprador.. Pero hay un problema grave sobre Anakin ROTS, vean la siguiente imagen.


La fabrica parece estar hecha de coduroy, en vez de gaza arrugada. Es una vestimenta notablemente hermosa, pero la Rebel Legion ni the 501st no aceptan esta vestimenta basado en esta fabrica.Se puede utilizar como un Jedi Generico? Lamentablemente , no...Porque las mangas de a tunica exterior debajo del guante es ajustada al puño de la manga. Los Jedi Genericos no pueden utilizar el guante de Anakin lo cual es realmente impractico desconstruir una manga para quitar el guante. Por lo tanto, sabiendo esto, puedes pedir que customprops construya la vestimenta de Anakin como es requerida pero gastarias por encima de $500 por esta construccion..



Este esta anunciado como una vestimenta Jedi por customprops. Observen el detalle del satin. Muy hermoso.

kjaereliten (ebay)



Aqui tenemos dos selecciones de kjaereliten. Vestimentas que se ven bastante bien, pero realmente no hechos a la medida? Fijense en la foto posterior...La fabrica es muy sencilla (plana)y no es representativo de ninguna de las peliculas.


Etsy (vendedor privado)


Etsy ofrece un sinumero de estilos a escoger. Estas vestimentas son(la mayoria de las veces) bien hechos(pero observen la siguiente imagen). La vestimenta no es terriblemente costosa,y hemos tenido compañeros que han comprado vestimentas aqui y han sido aprobados. Muchas de estas vestimentas son promocionadas como face characters. CUIDADO sobre cualquier vendedor que asegura vender vestimentas que provienen de face characters.


Otra de parte de Etsy. Noten el material fino de la tunica exterior permitiendo que la tunica interior oscura se deje ver notablemente. Someter esta vestimenta requeriria añadir un forro (fabrica) para obviar esta transparencia para entonces poder ser aprobada.

Tambien en la pagina web de Etsy , dice:
"Yo hago reproducciones de estas vestimenta para miembros oficiales de la Rebel Legion y 501st que deseen un trabajo de alta calidad..."

Esto no quiere decir que la vestimenta sera aprobada por la Legion o 501st sin ningun percance. Nadie puede hacer este reclamo! La Rebel Legion(ni 501st) no endorsan a ningun vendedor (ni siquiera nuestros propios miembros (como yo) de que estas vestimentas son oficiales por la Legion)...punto.

Esten alertas y no se dejen llevar por sus alegaciones diciendo que sus vestimentas son oficialmente aprobadas por Rebel Legion . Porque compres con ellos no te garantiza que esta sera aprobada al instante sin complicaciones.

Espero que este hilo sea de gran ayuda para que esten orientados sobre estas compras online.

Como siempre. sientanse en la libertad de enviarme mensajes personales(PM) sobre preguntas al respecto.

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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2014 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for writing this up Roger and thanks Maria and Jonathan for the translation Smile

Thankyou to Jonathan Sams for the translation-

and for our Asian brothers and sisters in arms.....
从商业厂商绝地服好吗?

有人问我这个问题,至少每周两次......所以我认为这是审慎的做法是让这个主题的帖子。我的职位是一部分的个人意见,并从反叛军团会员总监一部分官方的说法......而且是当前绝地军团服装法官的意见。

虽然这个职位着重于绝地的服装,其基本思路或答案在这里适用的反叛军团的所有市售的服饰。

所以......从商业厂商绝地服好吗?底线......这要看情况。

有许多商业厂商,使绝地的服装,但一些比较常见的是有人问我的都是buyallhappy(易趣)kjaereliten(易趣),服装基地(易趣),customprops(EBAY)和Etsy的(私人网站)

一些我们这些服装见到典型的问题包括:

- 价格便宜,面料轻薄,可以看穿,根据颜色或内外长袍。这可以通过添加一个衬垫,这是不是非常困难的修复,但将花费更多的钱。

- 该服装不适合,这恰好为我们的非常小(瘦)或“加大小的”绝地。有趣的是,一些厂商谁使“定制”绝地的服装都没有说实话。他们使小型,中型,大型和特大型服装,然后......根据你的测量,将发送一关,应该最适合您的机架你。如果你很瘦或很胖,那么没有现成的架子服装看起来就在您的身体没有修改。

记住:以上几乎一切,古装需要适合你的身体。有服装成分基本测量(宽度,长度,形状等),但是...如果你的身体类型是用于这些测量的范围之外,那么这些组件需要适当大小。例如:人们普遍商定的(内部/宽)绝地带是2.25至不足120磅的体重,那么你可能需要一个带是薄看的权利“宽如果您未满5'5”。或者,如果你超过6'3“和/或重量超过225磅(基本上,如果你的腰围超过50大”),你可能需要一个更广泛的带看的权利。

- 该外中山装的边缘部分也形成接头和/或太短......这几乎是不可能解决的,因为你需要更多的纤维。许多厂商都使用了基本的“鬼节”服饰图案的绝地,这是不准确的画面。即使是人们所追求的简约4450模式是不准确的画面。这就是为什么我修改了一个简单4450模式是屏幕准确OWK和贴吧的教程,以供他人使用(因为这种模式不再可用)。又一天,这个特殊的教程有超过45,600的看法。

- 这徽章是由直线,然后没有一些努力不挂权利。对于许多人来说,“Y”形战袍挂最好的。

另一方面...

我们何曾见过有人把这些市售的绝地服饰开箱即用的之一,穿上它,让图片和他们没有批准修改?是。不过,这通常不会发生,而且......如果你买这些服装之一,不要惊慌,如果你必须做一些器官功能障碍综合征的反叛军团的批准。

拇指的基本规则应该是:如果你可以从任何前传电影的站在旁边OWK,阿纳金或温杜,和你的服装同样是惊人的,那么你没事。如果不是的话,那么......好吧,你有一些器官功能障碍综合征之作。

以下是这些厂商的一些照片,有一些意见。这些意见都是我个人的看法,在这里我是很为关键的:

buyallhappy(易趣)


这套服装是标榜一个欧比 - 旺·克诺比ROTS服装。正如你所看到的,这是接近屏幕准确的OWK ROTS任何地方。服装可能不是坏了通用的绝地,但......要知道,这是一个超级便宜的服装。


此图片显示的外中山装衬,这是显示。这将不会通过审批的反叛军团。此外,相对于OWK ROTS,该材料不是褶皱纱布型织物。


和他们的长袍是可怕的。长袍太短,几乎没有足够充分和发动机罩太小。

CostumeBase(易趣)


这套服装是标榜为阿纳金ROTS。正如你所看到的,黑色皮革战袍,独自一人,不会让这件衣服被批准而无需修改。还有其他的问题,这件衣服。这可能是没关系通用绝地,假设它适合佩戴者。


这里有袋和腰带,有了这种服装。这条腰带,包包是不是屏幕准确,没有被批准用于面部字符绝地。


像上面的长袍,设计是完全错误的,发动机罩和长袍是不是足够充分,它是太短了。

CustomProps(私人供应商)


自定义道具实际上做根据你的测量使服装和他们做了非常好的工作。但与他们的阿纳金腐烂的服装有一个严重的问题......看到下一张图片...


该面料更是一个灯芯绒类面料的,而不是皱纹guaze。这确实是一个美丽的服装,但反叛军团和第501目前尚不接受的基础上,该面料的服装。它可用于通用绝地?可悲的是,没有...因为根据手套的手外中山装套管安装。通用绝地不能使用阿纳金手套,所以......整个袖子将需要重拍...这是不现实的。然而,知道这一点,你可以有customprops让你一个“阿纳金”式服装的两个完整的外外衣的袖子。但是......你也花费超过500美元这个乐团。



这是通过customprops标榜为“绝地”。看缎面内衬型的细节。一个很漂亮的服装。

kjaereliten(易趣)



下面是从kjaereliten两个选择。好看的服饰。看一看在底部图片...面料较为平淡,并不能代表种面料出现在电影中。我会说,凯利短信给我,向我保证,她不会让这些服装以适应(基于测量),并没有什么事是“现成的”。而凯利也使得在一个好点的服装的成本是根据织物。最便宜的面料可能会更“纯”,而更昂贵的面料(或带衬垫的服装)将花费更多。

Etsy的(私人供应商)


Etsy的提供了许多不同的风格。这些服装是(大部分)制作精良(但一定要先看下图)。本站的服装并不十分昂贵,而且我们有伙计,从这里买那些最终被批准入会。有些服饰标榜面部字符。谨防广告人面对人物的服饰。


另一名来自Etsy的。请注意薄料的外中山装让较暗内中山装显现出来。提交此服装需要在外部中山装加入衬垫它被批准的反叛军团。

另外,Etsy的网站上,它说:
“我做这些服饰的反叛军团和第501个成员的严重的costumers试图加入这些俱乐部的复制品......”

这并不意味着,从这个供应商所做的服装将由反叛军团和第501个批准。没有人能够做到这一点!反叛军团(也不是501)不支持任何厂商(甚至不是我们自己的成员(像我一样),谁做的习惯,准确地筛选道具和服装)...时期。

所以,请注意任何人告诉你他们的服装都是“批准的反叛军团”。只是因为你买他们的服装之一,并不能保证你穿着他们的服装,会被批准入会。

我希望这揭示了购买服装从商业供应商的一些情况。

与往常一样,请随时PM我你的任何问题。
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2014 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Roger, that's a great and informative post.
I think its worth pointing out also that a lot of vendors cannot grantee the use of the same fabric as seen in the pictures and will be down to availability at time of purchase.
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2014 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, Generally from the ebay Jedi costumes the skirt is too short. I have both the costume props and costume base costumes. The costume base one was super short even for a generic jedi. Costume props I was happier with and what I have for a basis of my OWK EP III costume. Great post. I'll pass it on to my temple and base.
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2014 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you Roger. (and MAria for the spanish version).

I've just translate it in french for the french base external forum.
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2014 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste-Waz Sandoli wrote:
Thank you Roger. (and MAria for the spanish version).

I've just translate it in french for the french base external forum.


Thanks!!! Your efforts (and Maria's) are much appreciated!
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2014 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks
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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2014 8:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In these vendors I will add JEDI-ROBE.com

their Jedi costumes looks like CostumeBase
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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2014 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What kills me is they always do the skirt of the tunic and robe way too short
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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2014 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gracias por traducirlo al español MJudith.

Thanks for that info SithariRog
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2014 1:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always instruct people to stay away from those venders because they are not accurate.
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2014 7:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Roger! Just in time for our comicon! We are planning on discussing custom versus the vendor mades and this is a great place for us to start!
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2014 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for this Roger. As a new member looking to do a Jedi on a budget these sites are very tempting. But I have already learned that I need to bite the bullet and increase my budget.

And I am going with a professional seamstress not a sweat shop seamstress
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2014 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the kind words.

And just remember...if you or a friend can sew, and you get get your fabric parts made with little to no labor charge, then most Jedi fabric parts (inner tunic, outer tunic, tabards, obi) can be made for under $100 (depending on the type of fabric used). This is far cheaper than many of these commercial vendors...AND...it will fit! Very Happy
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