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Generic TFA Resistance X-wing Pilot Standard
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 12:25 am    Post subject: Generic TFA Resistance X-wing Pilot Standard Reply with quote

Hello,

Here's the first draft of the new costume standards for the Generic TFA Resistance X-Wing Pilot.

This is a quick draft I created by whittling down the detailed breakdown of the costume discussed here: http://www.forum.rebellegion.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=71772&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=45


It is a rough draft, requires polish, making more concise if possible, and most of all your input.

Generic TFA Resistance X-wing Pilot Standard

FLIGHT SUIT
• Red/dark orange, one-piece jumpsuit in screen accurate color and material. (PLEASE NOTE: neither Original Trilogy Rebel pilot orange nor B-Wing pilot red are acceptable for approval as there is a noticeable difference between both of them and the correct TFA Pilot color.)
• With a stand-up style collar with noticeably slightly darker colored tightly pleated detailing all the way around the outside, while the inside of the collar should match the flight suit. Collar closes at front mandarin style.
• Pleated trim details (matching the collar pleated detailing) run down the outside of the arms and down to the cuff at the wrist.
• Thin "pen holder" pocket built into the jumpsuit on the upper left arm below the left shoulder seam with 3 small (pen-sized) loops in the middle.
• No visible waistband, zippers or snaps on the jumpsuit. Zipper up front of the suit should be covered by a placket.
• Small tab along the placket just below the collar serving as an attachment point for the chest box. The chest box has a clip on the back (similar to a slide belt clip) to secure it to the tab.
• The jumpsuit legs have an outer "chap" layer. The left front of the chap should allow access for the chest box hose.
• Each chap leg has 2 pockets:
- A top right thigh cargo style pocket with flap closure, and with a secondary flat pocket with flap closure that wraps around the front of the leg.
- A smaller second rectangular cargo style pocket with rounded edges located on the right leg, with a flap top and is sewn into the front knee.
- A top left thigh rectangular cargo style pocket with open top square faux top flap, with small strip detail running vertically down the base of the pocket, layered over a tall, narrow open-topped pocket.
- A smaller second rectangular cargo style pocket with rounded edges is located on the left leg, with a flat flap top and is sewn into the front knee.
• A strap of dark grey webbing runs around the leg just below the lower pocket on each leg. The strap is sewn in place on the pant leg. The strap features a sliver/light-grey slide-adjuster buckle located on the front side of the leg.
• Flight suit should have a strap of dark grey webbing running across the width of the lower back with a black adjustable quick-release buckle.
• The flight suit legs should extend to the ankle or top of foot. Bottoms of legs should have either a small cuffed edge folded and sewn under, folded under with an elastic band inside, or bloused under.
• Sleeves end with no separate cuffs attached, or the suit sleeves should end in dark grey knit ribbed cuffs.

FLIGHT VEST
• White/off-white vest consisting of three parts: an outer/collar vest that wraps around the neck and extends down to the lower torso, an inner/under vest that connects to the back panel, and the back panel.

• Screen accurately designed outer/ collar vest, with 2 horizontal quilted/padded bar sections running the width of the vest panel approximately mid-torso on the left, and 7 horizontal quilted/padded bar sections starting at the shoulder blade on the right panel.
• On the left panel of the outer vest there is a black/dark-grey distressed rebel bird at collarbone height, and "pull to inflate" is written in inverted Aurebesh equivalent of English immediately above the 2 quilted/padded sections.
• At the bottom of the right front panel of the outer vest there is a black circle with a black mesh inlay.
• The outer vest should have a rolled/quilted/corded edge around the outside edge.
• The outer vest should be padded to give it proper body and should extend no further than the width of the shoulder. The collar (also padded) should wrap around the neck (like a life vest/preserver). The outer vest edge should angle slightly so that it's wider at the shoulder than at the lower edge.

• Screen accurate designed inner/under vest with bottom edge section strap attached to the underside collar portion of the vest, wrapping around the sides of the costumer and continuing across the inside of the bottom of the back panel. At the center of the lower back, there is a rectangle detail with a large rectangular stitched X.
• Clasps attached with Velcro sewn to the vest, made of a hard material with appropriate grey detailing should be affixed to both sides of the vest gap and affixed to the chest box.

• Screen accurate designed back panel with quilted/padded bar sections and scooped styled arm holes.


CHEST BOX
• Off-white/pale-gray chest box with black recesses and beveled edges, screen accurate LED, disk, and button details.
• A black corrugated rubber/plastic hose connects to the bottom right of the plate along the bottom of the chest box and slopes down across the front of the body to terminate between the left pant leg and the chap, or into the top left leg pocket of the flight suit.


FLIGHT HARNESS
• The belt is medium/dark grey in color with ribs, has a border at the top and bottom edges, and a roll-pin buckle in the front. (Please note that the rest of the flight harness should be slightly darker than the belt.)
• 2 L-shaped silver/light-grey aluminum paddle brackets (flat or bent/angled) hang from the top of the ejection strapping which loops around the belt.
• Strapping includes two roll-pin buckles on the front right and left attached to the paddles by straps and fastened with silver/light-grey rivets/Chicago screws.
• There are small black pull-tabs attached to the bottom of the 2 roll-pin buckles on the harness.
• The back of the belt has an additional strap which hangs down from the back center of the belt to below the crotch and connects to the ejection leg straps on the backside of the legs.


SIGNAL FLARES & LEG BANDOLIER
• Black/very dark-grey webbing bandolier around the left leg just at the bottom of the knee pocket or above just above the right knee, with 4 or 5 accurate silver/light-grey flares attached with loops.


BOOTS
Screen accurate (2 Options)
OPTION 1: Very dark grey/black rubber boots with screen accurate surface and tread details.
The boots are only visible from the ankle down due to the suit legs being worn outside the boot so uppers may vary.
OPTION 2: (required for Snap Wexley and Nien Nunb)
Very dark grey/black rubber with leather/leather-like/rubber cover over the front (where laces would normally be) and attached to the boot with 2 straps per side.


GAUNTLETS
• Black padded leather or leather-like material with a mid-length gauntlet cuff.
• Screen accurate 3 raised padded strips on the gauntlet cuff facing the outside, padded strip on each finger, pad on the top of the hand, padded strip over the knuckles, and either a single pad or two part pad on the thumb.


OPTIONAL: Accurately styled helmet with all hard details (visor, mic, dataport on back lower edge, recessed forehead stripe, ear cups, etc.)
Appropriate paint scheme (if it doesn't look like it would fit on screen strafing Stormtroopers or Starkiller Base, then don't use it!)


OPTIONAL: Screen accurate dark-grey shaped holster secured with rivets/Chicago screws and affixed to the belt via a loop of grey webbing/strapping, with accurately modeled and colored Glie-44 Erliss Ryloth Defense Tech Pistol.


OPTIONAL: Screen accurate vest cargo pocket/pouch.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 1:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Added some bullet points and bolding to increase readability.

Also the vest pouch should be optional for a Generic Pilot, but it should be required for certain Face Characters like Poe and Elan.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 2:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

THANK YOU for the hard work on this.

I know it's a draft, but this is a great help. chickpilot

Edit: A thought... will we be able to include some photo references, or is that still a limitation of the website?

Edit again (sorry): To *me* (and I have been wrong on several things), the ribbing looks very *slightly* more orange / less red than the body of the suit, as opposed to being darker. I know, I know.... lighting.... and computer monitors too... but this is an example. It's more visible on the hi-res:



Also, on the collar, there is overlap on some and then the meet-in-the-middle-mandarin-style on Jess, even though both have the placket. This may be a face character issue, but I wanted to mention it just in case. Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 9:49 am    Post subject: Re: Generic TFA Resistance X-wing Pilot Standard Reply with quote

Here are my comments.

theeviltwin wrote:

• With a stand-up style collar with noticeably slightly darker colored tightly pleated detailing all the way around the outside, while the inside of the collar should match the flight suit. Collar closes at front mandarin style.
• Pleated trim details (matching the collar pleated detailing) run down the outside of the arms and down to the cuff at the wrist.

I don't think it's darker. It's just different colour - more orange.
See: http://i2.wp.com/bitcast-a-sm.bitgravity.com/slashfilm/wp/wp-content/images/Star-Wars-The-Force-Awakens-poe-dameron-bb-8.jpg

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• Clasps attached with Velcro sewn to the vest, made of a hard material with appropriate grey detailing should be affixed to both sides of the vest gap and affixed to the chest box.

I wouldn't enforce Velcro as we don't see it on reference photos. There is clearly a piece of 'kitchen cloth' style fabric which is used to attach the plastic plate to the vest. So instead of focusing on the Velcro I would suggest to mention that white fabric which can be attached to the vest with Velcro or snaps.
See the detail here: http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/8/8e/PoeDameron1-Fathead.png/revision/latest?cb=20150909060456


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• A black corrugated rubber/plastic hose connects to the bottom right of the plate along the bottom of the chest box and slopes down across the front of the body to terminate between the left pant leg and the chap, or into the top left leg pocket of the flight suit.

Might be good to mention that the hose has a specific type of corrugation. Those 'ribs' are interchanging in size, every other is smaller.

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FLIGHT HARNESS
• The belt is medium/dark grey in color with ribs, has a border at the top and bottom edges, and a roll-pin buckle in the front. (Please note that the rest of the flight harness should be slightly darker than the belt.)

It's PLCE belt. Let's use this word and it will help people find it.


Quote:
• Strapping includes two roll-pin buckles on the front right and left attached to the paddles by straps and fastened with silver/light-grey rivets/Chicago screws.

Poe Dameron had black Chicago screws. See here:
http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/8/8e/PoeDameron1-Fathead.png/revision/latest?cb=20150909060456
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• There are small black pull-tabs attached to the bottom of the 2 roll-pin buckles on the harness.

... with white thread line.


Quote:
OPTION 1: Very dark grey/black rubber boots with screen accurate surface and tread details.
The boots are only visible from the ankle down due to the suit legs being worn outside the boot so uppers may vary.

Accurate option is 'mucker boots by Groundworks'.

Quote:
OPTIONAL: Screen accurate vest cargo pocket/pouch.

Made of the same fabric as the vest.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Overall, very good standard. Nice job!
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking good!

I think the fabric used on the vest that is attached to the "back plate" that goes behind the chest box might be perforated vinyl or leather used in vehicle upholstery from the higher res/standee images.

I need to try and snag some scraps from a shop down the street from my workplace this week.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^^ Agreed on the perforated leather or vinyl.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I don't think the collar is any darker either. That could be weathering or lighting. It'd be lighter on the inside because it wouldn't be weathered inside.

The mention of the hook on the back of the chest box should be mentioned in the chest box standard as well.

I'm torn on the loop variation for Snap in the briefing room costume. Part of me also thinks it could be his chest box hook and not gray fabric.

Great work, everyone. I know this was a pain, especially since Mos Espa sent in a list of requirements too. We know what's up Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seconding the hook on the back of the box. The clip on the back of retractable metal tape measures work rather well and can be a cheaper alternative to purchasing something from Tandy or another supplier.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IIRC from the Poe standee, the pouch is a white twill fabric... different from the vest.

Will need to check this evening after work.

Edit: Definitely twill... looks like it *may* be a white brushed denim, but rather dirty.

For keeping its shape, it would probably benefit from a foam "block" insert, similar to what I've seen on some Biker Scouts.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agreed, I think it is perforated marine vinyl.

RebelAngel wrote:
Looking good!

I think the fabric used on the vest that is attached to the "back plate" that goes behind the chest box might be perforated vinyl or leather used in vehicle upholstery from the higher res/standee images.

I need to try and snag some scraps from a shop down the street from my workplace this week.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What do you guys think about possibly adding in information(as optional requirements) regarding:

1. Right side cargo pocket detail

Right side cargo pocket flap should have vertical stitching detail approximately .25” apart

Cargo pocket should have piping detail approximately .625” – 1” from left side of pocket



2. Knee Pocket Details

Knee pockets should have vertical stitching detail consisting of 2 stitch lines approx. .25” inches apart on either side of the knee pocket.



3. Left side pocket details

Detail includes center strip of fabric with horizontal stitching appox. .25” apart.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lots of good comments above. My question is what is acceptable for fabric? At this point we have no info on what was actually used, just a comment from the costume designer that the resistance costumes were natural fibers.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 11:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am also curious what will count for passable for the trim. I know people found the ribbed elastic and I will go that route as I have no way to really make the trim otherwise or find it anywhere else. I wanted to be sure the elastic counts as acceptable.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Karyn. The first thing that struck me in the new proposal was that the strip of detailing down the sleeves and collar should actually be lighter not darker. At best I would say, " slightly different colour".

My other concern is how much detail do we insist on ? I'm all for accuracy but having a gigantic standard with minute detail of every stitch must surely make this costume just too complicated for most members ?

Succinct, with a balance between accuracy and pedantic insistence is where this needs to be.
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