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Chirrut Imwe research and open build thread
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

After more research, I can agree with slate grey or navy blue. I really do think its only a half tunic vs a whole one partially draped. I only saw one pic of what looked like both arms covered in cotton over the suede, but that was the cloak draped over the other arm.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Margh wrote:
NICE REF!!!

So I am working on LightBow... 3D model (now I printing first parts).
I want to achieve mechanical functionality.

https://www.facebook.com/MadeInTitan/photos/a.487282668010251.1073741837.458152797589905/1311764168895426/?type=3&theater


This is so great! I would DEFINITELY buy one of these from you!!
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This whole topic is amazing. Following closely!
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes this thread is still alive. Work and a toddler keeps me busy. See good progress below. Smile

- - - Updated - - -

Some good progress as of late.

I did some detailed drawings to figure out all the separate pieces of Chirrut's costume, where the attachment points are, materials and fabrics, etc. I made a "swatch book" to see how all the colors would work together, pretty happy with them.



I ended up going to 4 different fabric stores to try and find the closest fabrics possible to the original costume. I was able to find:

- 2 different blue suedes for the vest
- red linen for the inner skirt
- a navy cotton and a linen for the outer robe and cape, pants and gaiters
- pique cotton for the outer skirt (I have successfully dyed a sample navy blue)
- a very dark blue black thin vinyl or the base layer of the left sleeve



I sourced the original camera used and made a mold box, clayed it up and made a silicone mold using Mold Max 40. I have successfully pulled a resin version with a foam filled back to reduce weight. Only the front half is cast, just like the screen used version.





I also started on Chirrut's staff. For the upper section I used a 1.25" wood dowel and used a spoke shave to take it down an 1/8" and to add some irregularity. I'm going to hand carve it and weather it to add details.



For the bottom half of the staff, I created an armature using threaded rod and aluminum armature wire twisted with a drill. Same technique I would use to sculpt figures or creatures. I bent the armature to match the screen used staff, it has an interesting organic bend to it. I built a simple stand to facilitate sculpting.



Added a base layer of Super Sculpey to stiffen the armature and add some volume.


I have blocked in one side of the lower staff. I will still add more detail, I just wanted to get the basic shape. I am screen matching the "knots" in the wood, so that it can be as accurate as possible from every side. Pretty happy with it so far!

I will be molding the staff and casting it with an aluminum core.


I turned the middle grip from wood on my lathe, and used some glazing putty to smooth it out. Will spray it with filler primer and sand it again.


The topper was also turned on a lathe and will be smoothed. I tried to find plumbing or electrical or hydraulic fittings that matched but I couldn't find anything so I just turned them on the lathe.


I couldn't find a nut of the same specifications so I scratchbuilt it from 3 layers of Sintra.


Topper is almost done, just need to mill out that diagonal slot and add a few greeblies.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

littledragon88 wrote:
I apologize if I hijack your build, but I've done some sketching to visualize the different costume parts.


Nice work Littledragon88!

I agree with the separate layers, I did similar breakdown drawings (see post above).

I'll have to look for the photo, but I recall seeing snap bumps and one slightly exposed holding the outer tunic to the shoulder of the suede vest. I'll have to find it.

In regards to approvals, I don't think what's underneath matters so long as the outside is screen accurate, but a costume judge can correct me. Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello - just wanted to share some pics of the bowcaster for my Imwe-project. Did not do the bowcaster myself, lacking the skills unfortunately. It is functional... and as you see very detailed.





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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent! Thank you for sharing!
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 1:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thank for sharing very good!!!!
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello again. Imwe's hard parts are finished... I hope to complete this project with the textiles in a couple of weeks.

All info here in this thread was (is) awesome and very helpful!!!



oh, the stick can glow btw

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Full of awesomess !
Congrats
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2017 5:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kennah Parker wrote:
Hello again. Imwe's hard parts are finished... I hope to complete this project with the textiles in a couple of weeks.

All info here in this thread was (is) awesome and very helpful!!!



oh, the stick can glow btw


very good
l can't wait to see your full costume
thx for share
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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2017 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello. Thanks for the friendly and supporting words. Though this topic is not by me, I would like to show my 1st try as Imwe (if not appropiate here, please delete it).






I actually wear blue-grey lenses though you dont see them very well.

greetings. Bjoern
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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2017 3:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kennah Parker wrote:
Hello. Thanks for the friendly and supporting words. Though this topic is not by me, I would like to show my 1st try as Imwe (if not appropiate here, please delete it).






I actually wear blue-grey lenses though you dont see them very well.

greetings. Bjoern

good
great work
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 6:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry for the delays, work got busy. Some updates:

I have discovered there are several versions of the costume (as expected) but I also found out there are different versions on display. You can't really judge the proportions or fit on any of these as the mannequins may not be the same height or dimensions and different people dress them (I have noticed some wrap the inner skirt backwards, or don't tie the belts or ties consistently)

At SDCC 2016 and SW Celebration Europe 2016, they used the more detailed ones. These appear to be hero versions based on the inner skirt fabric which is fuller and pills more. I have seen a different version with a cotton twill.

I also noticed there were some versions of the costume displayed in Asia. Some of these seem like stunt or backup versions, some were Hot Toys versions and some were not the same scale! My family visited Hong Kong over the holidays and some versions on display were super sized and scaled up. So you can't judge these as being 100% consistent or accurate.

Also, some of the Hot Toys displays are very clean and the materials are not consistent. But they still make for good reference.

Speaking of Hot Toys, I finally received my Sideshow / Hot Toys Chirrut Imwe figure. Not only is it an amazing figure but it's been very useful in figuring out a few things. Some photos below.

The rear cloak / robe has always baffled me in terms of the actual shape. But looking at the sideshow figure I can understand it now. There is only one photo showing him "wearing" the robe and it's merely draped over his shoulder.

One thing I discovered is that the cloak is identified in the Visual Guide as being a "traditional charcoal kasaya robe". In looking at more recent photos, I can see that some costumes displays are vastly affected by colored lighting, so I think it's best to use promotional photos or screenshots for reference. I may change the color of the robe to charcoal (washed out black). Its hard to read here, but the callout text is on the far right.


Here, you can see the interesting shape they chose. I can only assume they did it this way so that it drapes and flows more elegantly as he moves.


There's also a billion ties on this thing to keep it in place on his bandolier.


The outer skirt is as I expected, it's a Y shape with the belt / ties attached. In some versions of the costume, the white and red stripe is sewn cotton tape / ribbon and on others it looks painted. I still think this outer skirt is very very dark blue or black with a blue hue.


Good photo of the back of the figure. You can see that the bandolier has the inner and outer bandolier extend down to the belt, which is slightly narrower than the bandolier.


Here's the right side outer jacket. Hot Toys used snaps but on the original costume the left side closed with a tie / knot. One thing I have noticed is that the left and right jacket bodies are worn under the red underskirt.


The suede jacket is shown here. I had originally thought that the left shoulder was simply a tucked shoulder but it's not - it's made up of a vest and completely separate garment underneath with the ribbed left sleeve attached!
What is evident however is that there are portions of the suede jacket that are a faded blue color. The raised padded areas are a brighter blue.
panda86, on Flickr


Even though Hot Toys / Sideshow has access to the original costumes or props, I have noticed some new things. The boots they chose are dark brown. I'll have to compare these to the screenshots.


Moving on to the red underskirt, you can see it's very much like Japanese martial arts pants. The belt wraps around the waist twice, with the wraps tied on the right side.



I started with the red underskirt and drafted a pattern based on the reference photos and then the Hot Toys skirt. I scaled it for my height and waist (I discovered I am the same height as Donny Yen!).
There are some small differences so I picked the best reference from each source. The red underskirt is sewn from 6 separate components.


A quick mock up on my duct tape mannequin yielded a skirt that was slightly too narrow, so I added some extra width to the back panel and also integrated some darts between the vertical seams.


I cut out the patterns and transferred them to the red fabric. My good luck Tortoro Cat Bus has accompanied me on many sewing adventures!


I noticed that on some photos, you can see some small belt loops on the red underskirt where the belt / tie goes under the loops. These are not on the Hot Toys figure but you can see them in a couple screen shots.


I added these to a couple spots on my red underskirt.


Almost every seam is ironed and doubled stitched on the red underskirt. My sewing machine does not have a double stitcher foot so I just eyeballed it.


Finished red underskirt! It fits about an inch or so big around the waist but I'm not worried as I know the 3 jacket layers will bulk up the waist line.


Next up with be the left side outer skirt!
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 5:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've started on a mock up of the outer skirt using muslin. This is just another throwaway test pattern so I didn't bother making it with a belt. It was a leftover piece of fabric that was 2" too short, but it was a good test for size.

The outer skirt is just over 1/3rd the width of the red underskirt. It's made up of 7 sections (not including the belt tie or the outer "pocket") with the fabric weave at a 45 degree angle for movement.

I discovered in the mockup that even though I added darts on some of the seams, the skirt still puckered, so I know to make the darts longer. I also discovered that I can add an extra long dart right in the middle as it will be covered by the long outer pocket, which is not really a pocket - it's just a panel to hide the seam!



As I don't have the dye fixative on hand, I will hold off for now until I dye my outer skirt fabric. So instead I started blocking out the bandolier.

With some scaling in photoshop, I figured out the bandolier widths based on the dimensions of the echo box which is 4" wide x 6" tall.


The widest straps on the bandolier are 3" wide and the narrower parts are 2.25" wide. The 7 slot ammo holder is 3" tall and 5" wide.

One of the hardest parts to figure out is the back of the bandolier as most of it is hidden by the outer robe hanging off the back. But I managed to get some screenshots from the behind the scenes footage and I got a few glimpses of the back of the bandolier. The narrow strap of the bandolier comes down over the shoulder, and curves along the left side of the kidney area. In the movie the strap has a subtle curve to it that makes the echo box stick out. I've added a bit of a steeper pattern curve to reduce this. The right side of the back part is 3" wide (but in this mockup it looks a little thick so I might make it 2.5") and extends to the right kidney at 90 degrees and connects to the lower V section on the right hip.



Also, since this footage was shot on high speed video for the behind the scenes footage (and it was not color graded), we can see the colors of the fabrics in natural light. You can tell that the robe on the back is definitely in the blue range as is the right side jacket and some parts of the suede jacket. I guess it depends on the look you are going for, whether you want a desaturated / finished film color graded look or a "screen used" look. I kind of like some sense of color otherwise everything looks a bit flat.

In this image, you can see that the belt / tie of the outer skirt passes through the lower V shape of the white bandolier. This keeps it in place and prevents movement.


Using the measurements above I simply mocked up the bandolier out of scrap vinyl (I have thick white vinyl on order) and stapled it together to see if everything fits. So far it's looking good!




I couldn't help but to do a little test fit (in sweat pants and white socks! Kung fu pants are on order) just to see if things fit me. Pretty happy with the mock ups so far!


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