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Proposed Expansion of Rogue One Troop CRL (Ops Trooper)
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Merc_with_a_Bryar (Sam Falco)
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome to the fold, soldier!

We have this going, as well as discussions about forming an officer class based on the uniform in question:

http://www.forum.rebellegion.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=93132

http://www.forum.rebellegion.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=94340

For RAID purposes, people have shown several personnel wearing this uniform without a rank badge, and we know that Private Weems is... well... a private. lol so I think those factors justify an "Operations Trooper" standard.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A costume like Weems might be better suited as being called Yavin Intelligence Technician. Thoughts?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I initially thought the same thing, but others showed me that the uniform apparently is worn by others outside the Intelligence division, and by those not just in the tech department, so its more of a general "Army" uniform.

To have the techs stand out though, we can add a sub-section stating that techs are able to wear just the shirt, trousers, belt, and headset if they so choose.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Until we see a comms operator put on a jacket I'd suggest considering Weems and his fellow operator a separate costume from the jacketed folks in the briefing room. I'm happy calling them Yavin Intel Techs to distinguish them from the Yavin Comms operator costume standard that already exists.

Regarding the idea of a general army "uniform" I think it's better to have several simpler standards for each character role than one large complicated standard that encompasses several character roles.

For example, the main difference in costume elements between the ANH Comms Operator and a Yavin Commander is that the Commanders wear a jacket, and have a brown shirt instead of tan. The only difference between a Yavin Commander and Capt. Antilles is the helmet and color of rank badge. The pattern of their clothes is exactly the same, but due to differences in their roles and their costumes they are different standards, despite shared elements.

The question stands if Weems and these Intel jacket people ought to be in the Commander detachment like the existing Comms officers. Though a lowly Private, Weems worked closely with General Draven and even approached Mon Mothma directly -- officers do that, not infantry. And these Intel briefing folks are more like Cassian than anything, which is in the Commander detachment.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm fine with keeping the techs separate for the time being. If we get around to making a standard for their division of Techs, we can address the distinctions there, but you're right, keeping it simple for this is better.

We won't really be trying to incorporate other roles for this proposed standard either. The uniform seems to be worn by Army personnel, even the Intelligence Division has the same exact uniform as the unnamed background grunts, so as far as uniforms go, there doesn't seem to be much distinction, ya know? The color differences are even inconsistent within the same groups. Intelligence alone has two different colors (olive and coyote).

The differences are as follows:

Army: Proposed new troopers w/Field jacket (olive or coyote), standard trousers, off-white bib shirt.

Marines: Scarif troopers w/Field jacket (olive or coyote), flak vest, M-1 helmet, reinforced trousers.

Navy: Fleet trooper w/blue shirt, black vest, white bucket helmet.

Air Force: Starfighter flightsuits of varying types.

etc etc you get the idea. I think we've just finally seen the Army in a standard uniform, rather than covered up by snow gear or in commando camouflage for a specific mission. Even in ANH, when we see the different divisions assembled for the medal ceremony, there's guys in green and khaki field jackets. Obviously those were different, but those could be the "dress" variants of the uniform we're talking about right now. Either way, the logic seems sound.

The Yavin IV techs may be dressed differently to reflect their working for different divisions as well. As such, Weems and his people work in Intelligence, which is an Army group, whereas in ANH when we see the Rebels at Yavin, we're mostly dealing with Command, ground crew, or other Starfighter-related business, so those techs we did see likely worked in the Air Force, and thus had a different uniform.

As for the officers vs RAID discussion; sofar it has seemed that all the officers wear their rank badges to distinguish them from the grunts, so I think sticking with the "if they aren't wearing a rank badge, they aren't an officer" notion is a good rule of thumb with uniformed characters. Even when it comes to Weems, Draven got in his face when he tried to talk to Mon Mothma, so I think a private approaching them at all was an irregular thing, and thus, keeping the two separate would be better, and keep command from overlapping with the regular forces.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 7:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On page 58 the book Rogue One - The Ultimate Visual Guide states that private Tenzigo Weems is a Signals Intelligence technician in General Draven’s command. He is a private and technician so his version of the costume should be in RAID. I think the headset should be optional because Weems and the dark heard technician that works with him do not always wear it. Since the source book calls him a Signals Intelligence technician it would make sense to use that name for the costume.





The characters that wear a jacket but no rank badge should also be in RAID with their own CS so that we do not make the CS too complicated. As far as I can tell the female (private/corporal/sergeant) in the briefing scene wears the same belt buckle as Pao. So there are at least two costume components that make her different to private Weems.

Edit: There is a second woman beside the the first one that wears the same belt buckle as Weems so both belt buckles should be approvalable with the jacket costume.





Edit 28.03.2018 11:00:
Here is a scan of the information about Weems in the book. Sorry that part of the bottom is missing. The book is too large for my scanner. No matter how I turned it, there was always a part missing.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Patricia! That pretty much clinches it! haha
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've amended the standards to be more in-depth and detailed. I also noticed that there is one trooper not wearing a compad, so I've adjusted it to make the compad inset an optional item on the jacket.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think we should add information about the collar of the shirt. This should be its own CS. Do we have a name for the guys with the jacket? I went through the book but it was no help.

Edit 28.03.2018 11:21:
The roll pin belt buckle and the metal buckle with the three dots should be permited for the costume with the jacket. Both can be seen during the meeting/briefing.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree that the intel tech like Weems needs to be a separate costume standard and it would fit in to RAID.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This isn't intended to be a CRL for Weems or the techs. This was ONLY supposed to be for the uniformed Army personnel with the jackets and no rank badges.

I will add the detail about the two belt buckle option, as it definitely applies.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, the thread got a little side tracked but I think mentioning private Weems is important because his costume is the basis for all the others. Add a holster with side arm and a Cassian Andor jacket and we have the subject of this thread, which still does not have a name. Add a officer rank badge and we have the Intelligence Officers (Generic Operations Officer) from the other thread.
http://www.forum.rebellegion.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=93132

If I am not mistaken you could add a different belt (leather with plate-style clasp buckle similar to the RFT ANH), jacket (similar to Gen. Draven's jacket or similar to the one Captain Antilles wear), rank badge (major/colonel/general) and you make some the other officers of rogue one such as general Draven, cononel Delto, Cononel Cor, and general Onoran.

If you then use a oval belt buckle and a long white coat on top of the captain Antilles jacket you can create major Harinar, colonel Grafis or General Dodonna. Edit: The high ranking officers with the white coat seem to have the boots and pants as captain Antilles. End of Edit.

Private Weems costume is also the basis of some pathfinders costumes such as corporal Rostok.

Edit (28.03.2018 20:17):
Even Kado Oquońe the captain the hammerhead corvette Lightbringer seems to have private Weems costume as a base. He seems to wear the same shirt, belt and pants. He wears a similar jacket to general Draven with dark piping on the pocket flaps instead of red and a green or blue captain rank badge.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That being the case, we could have the troopers wear the alternate belt buckles you're suggesting, and carry rifles, to further distinguish them from the officers We see that several of the marines are wearing the same jackets under their flak vests on Scarif, so its entirely possible that some of those Marines are simply these class of troopers that Cassian rounded up and snagged whatever equipment they could find to match the actual Marines with them, and that show up later when reinforcements arrive. Heck, Cassian even says "grab anything not nailed down" lol.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to make sure that I understand the costume you're proposing, its the Cassian style jacket, bdu pants, PLCE belt with the buckle and greeblie, and boots with the cuffs? No rank badges. Is that correct?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

First of all, we don't have CRL's we have standards Cool
I agree with Patricia, Private Weems should be the starting point as the basic costume.
We should then begin to breakdown the various elements that make up each type of trooper.
Jim, what you suggested would be variant #1.
You meant to include the bibbed shirt as well?
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