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Proposed Expansion of Rogue One Troop CRL (Ops Trooper)
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Merc_with_a_Bryar (Sam Falco)
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, the STANDARDS Cool (lol) I'm proposing are for the uniformed Army personnel without rank badges.

I'll repost my standards here so people don't have to go all the way back to the beginning:

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1. Jacket-
Field jacket with mandarin collar. Should be Coyote Brown, Medium Brown or Olive Brown in color. Sleeves have "blood stripe" detail from shoulder to cuff in colors alternate to the jacket color (if jacket is lighter brown, stripes must be darker brown and vice-versa). The jacket has a mandarin collar, left and right breast pockets, with a flap on the left-hand pocket only (pocket should have no visible securing snaps or buttons).

Optional: Screen-accurate compad inset above the left breast pocket.

2. Shirt-
Tan/Beige coloring, with rectangular bib. Outer flap either fastened straight across, or folded diagonally across the chest. No visible means of closure such as buttons or snaps.

3. Pants-
Khaki/Coyote Brown colored utility trousers with elastic cuffs at the ankles. Cargo-style pockets along the outside of each leg, with top flap, and no visible closure buttons or snaps. No back pockets. Pant ankles should be worn tucked into boots/boot toppers.

4. Belt-
Olive/Khaki/Coyote Brown colored web belt with roll-pin buckle OR flat rectangular buckle plate with accurate greeblie detailing.

5. Boots-
Dark brown or black leather/leather-like lace-up combat boots. Matching flaps or boot toppers to completely cover laces. One horizontal strap across the lace flap/boot topper where the foot meets the ankle. No visible zippers, but discrete inside zippers are permitted. No buckles on boots, flaps or toppers.

Optional Accessories:

Blaster-
Any era-appropriate blaster rifle carried by Alliance personnel, such as the BlasTech A280, A280 CFE/A180 CFE in rifle configurations will be acceptable.

Example (ignore the badge)


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sam, your Cassian Andor costume might not be the best example of the costume due to the fact that he has a different type of shirt, boots and even pants. Cassian only wears the regular trooper cargo pants when he is on Jedha. :-)

The proposed trooper is basically a private Weens costume with a Cassian Andor type jacket and no rank badge. The only ones that I have found so far are the two females in the meeting and the women that walk around behind Jyn and Brodhi. All the others are men and have officer rank badges.






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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found one more that does not seem to where a officer rank badge. It is the guy with the blaster riffle on the left.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its not a Cassian Andor costume, its the one I'm making as a tool for the standards. This particular one has a badge because I was making it for the officers standards, which was why I said ignore the badge. It applies here because all the other elements are essentially the same. The shirts, pants and jacket are all the same style, the only variation between them is color. Weems' shirt just has the bib closed is all. The pants Cassian wears on Jedha are basically the reinforced padded pants that the Marines and commandos wear on Scarif, and the rest of the time he wears tailored versions of the utility trousers the other troopers and officers wearing the same uniform have on.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just saw the last photo you posted, thank you much, that helps a lot actually, because now we can clearly see that the jacket/cargo pants look actually does fit with blaster rifles for sure.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sam, I must disagree. Everybody except Cassian wears basically a light or middle brown RFT shirt similar to the one Captain Antilles wears. They have a regular shirt collar. Your shirt hast a standing collar and Cassian and Jyn are the only rebels in Rogue One that wear that type shirt.

If you look closely at general Draven and private Weems you can see that they wear cargo pants that have reinforced knee similar to some of the pathfinders. Conel Bandwin Cor, who us on page 48 of the R1 VG also wears the reinforced cargo pants. Your pants look more like those of Cassian.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Merc_with_a_Bryar wrote:
Just saw the last photo you posted, thank you much, that helps a lot actually, because now we can clearly see that the jacket/cargo pants look actually does fit with blaster rifles for sure.


Yes, it does or at least with the ones that are not officers.


Edit (28.03.2018 23:16):
The one female does not have a holster like I thought. She has a DH-17 at her right hip that she wears with the trap that goes over her left shoulder. I know that you can carry a large rifle like that but why would some one wear a smaller blaster like that? Perhaps it is not an ordinary DH-17 like the RFTs have. Perhaps it is the version that Coporal Maddel has.



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the shirts are actually the same shirts, just with the collar folded down. This would be supported by the fact that, at the end of Empire Strikes Back, where Lando is wearing Han's clothes, his bib is fastened, and his collar is folded down in the exact manner we're talking about.



I think we can split the difference on this though, and give both as an option for how they can be worn.

As for the blasters, I see what you're saying, so perhaps have the troopers wearing no rank badge and carrying rifles, while the officers will have rank badges and carry sidearms.

Side note: IS the woman standing in the briefing room Maddel? She looks VERY similar in facial features, has her hair the same way, and seems to have the same weapon with a strap. If that's the case, this supports my theory that the Marines who accompanied Cassian had at least a few regular Army troops toss on vests and padded pants to accompany them to Scarif.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Star Wars uses mainly four types of shirts in different colors. One is the bib shirt with a fold down collar like the ones the RFT and private Weems wear. The second one is the one with the standing collar like Cassian and Han ESB. The third is the shirt Han wears when he meets Luke the first time. The fourth version is what Luke wears in ROTJ, TFA and TLJ.

I am ok with permitting both the Weems type and Cassian type shirt. I always try to be flexible if possible.

Yes you are right. The female on the right that wears the lighter jacket, roll pin belt buckle and also has that trap on her left shoulder could be corporal Maddel. We cannot see the blaster itself because it hangs to low an the strap.

Maddel was not a part of the original team (pathfinders) that went to Scarif. She was in one of the U-Wings from Blue Squadron.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Merc_with_a_Bryar wrote:


Side note: IS the woman standing in the briefing room Maddel? She looks VERY similar in facial features, has her hair the same way, and seems to have the same weapon with a strap. If that's the case, this supports my theory that the Marines who accompanied Cassian had at least a few regular Army troops toss on vests and padded pants to accompany them to Scarif.


The pathfinders are not marines. They were called that when the CS was created. If you read the information on page 154 to 161 of the R1 VG they seem to be something like Army Special Forces. In Star Wars, I would consider all ground forces Army, fighter pilots Air Force and anything that mans a large space ship Navy. Unfortunately, that does not always work. Kado Oquońe the captain of the hammerhead corvette Lightbringer wears the two dot rank badge of an Army Captain but Raymus Antilles the Captain of corvettes Tantive IV wears the five dots of a general. In the real word, for instance the US military, a navy captain is an O6 which is the same rank as an army/air force colonel. A captain O3 army/Air force is a lieutenant in the navy.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, I used the wrong terminology, but if she didn't go with the initial group, then I guess it doesn't prove my point haha
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have some concerns about this proposal. The references in the briefing room are very dark and we don't have clear shots from behind or below the waist. It would be difficult to nail down the type of pants and shoes they're wearing. We could assume they're wearing the same style as the Rebel Marines, but assumptions can't go in standards.

I also agree that the collar on Sam's photo doesn't match the references. The collar is not a mandarin-style stand collar.

In my opinion, were better off starting with a standard for a support tech like Weems than the jacketed folks.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone who wants to go start a standard for the techs is welcome, I'm going to continue working on this, because we are very close to completing this set, and I feel the references are more than sufficient for generic background characters.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 8:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree that we should start a CS for private Weems and his fellow Signals Intelligence Technicians. I also agree with Sam that we have enough evidence that these troopers with a jacket are basically private Weems with a Cassian Andor style jacket or pathfinders/Scarif marines without the vest, caps/helmets and extra gear. What other proof do we need for this CS?


I have found better scene caps of the two women in the meeting/briefing. The woman with the tan/khaki jacket is corporal Maddel. She wears the same jacket as lieutenant Sefla. He basically wears tan/khaki Cassian jacket. There are some onset photos of him without the vest.





The troopers with the blue jacket with tan/khaki shoulders are wearing the same jacket as the pathfinder private Bastern. You can see the shoulder area under his vest.





We also have full body images of the two women that walk around behind Jyn when see talks with Chirrut Îmwe and Baze Malbus. If look closely you can see that they are wearing a Cassian Andor style jacket, coyote brown cargo pants and pathfinder/Scarif marine boots. So these women are basically pathfinder/Scarif marines without the extra items.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just wanted to point something out about the blue jacket. The tan/khaki shoulder pieces/yoke are only on the front. The back is completely blue. The collar is tan/khaki all the way around. The waist band of the jacket is also tan/khaki and has adjustment straps of the same color.

The Source of my screen caps is https://starwarsscreencaps.com/rogue-one-2016/






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