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PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here are two photos of the items I want to use for this costume. One photo was taken with daylight coming in through the window and the other with the window's shutters closed and the light one. The camera used its automatic flash on both photos.

I am going to use my brown Tru-Spec BDU pants and the tan shirt that I use for my Signals Intelligence Technician/Senior Officer as well as the belt of the Senior Officer. The transponder is not in the photo because I have not painted it yet. I am also going to use my holster and the DH-17 of my RFT. I did not add the holster because it is not needed as a color reference since it is the same color as the belt strap. Personally, I would prefer to use tan blood stripes and a tan yoke. Unfortunately, the CS states that light brown jackets need dark blood stripes.

I think the color of my khaki jacket is closer to the jacket of the Scarif Marine, which has tan blood stripes than to Lt Selfa's light tan jacket with the dark tan blood stripes.













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PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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kman wrote:
The tan jackets had blood stripes down the arms that are a few shades darker than the tan, not a lot. BUT the stripes are on a panel that's a few shades lighter than the regular jacket fabric, so they pop a bit more. That's the best way I can think to describe it.

The shoulder yoke is slightly different; more of a yellowish tan, somewhat similar to what you used for your R1 Senior Officer's yoke.

I'd need to see a photo of all your samples together in one photo, overlapping, to opine further.


Yes, the tan jackets had blood stripes that were a couple of shades darker than the jacket itself. I do not think that the panel under the blood stripes is a different shade than the jacket. I think it just looks that way because of the contrast.

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<snip...> Lieutenant Sefla and Corporal Maddel's jackets are a lighter color than the other his. It is more of a yellowish-tan. Lieutenant Sefla jacket has darker blood stripes. We cannot see if Corporal Maddel's jackets has any blood stripes at all.


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Reference for tan jackets





Lieutenant Sefla's jacket is what I was basing my comments on. His jacket has a yoke that is noticeably more yellowish than the main jacket fabric. You can see this pretty clearly in your images.

It's harder to say, about the lighter color of the bloodstripe backing strip. It's not apparent in every photo, but I believe it IS a bit lighter, based on some of your photos, and on this one:



It's only a couple of shades lighter, I think, a distinction that gets even less clear once the jacket is thoroughly dirtied up. But I do think there is a difference there. At a minimum, I think the panel they added the bloodstripes to is a slightly different material, so it reflects light differently.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 4:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kman wrote:

Lieutenant Sefla's jacket is what I was basing my comments on. His jacket has a yoke that is noticeably more yellowish than the main jacket fabric. You can see this pretty clearly in your images.

It's harder to say, about the lighter color of the bloodstripe backing strip. It's not apparent in every photo, but I believe it IS a bit lighter, based on some of your photos, and on this one:

It's only a couple of shades lighter, I think, a distinction that gets even less clear once the jacket is thoroughly dirtied up. But I do think there is a difference there. At a minimum, I think the panel they added the bloodstripes to is a slightly different material, so it reflects light differently.


Hmm, yes, you are right Lt. Selfa's yoke color seems to be a little darker than the rest of his jacket. I do not think that is intentional because his transponder pocket also looks darker. There is no reason to make that pocket a contrasting element because it is not visible most of the time in the movie. I would also not consider it a contrasting yoke because there is not enough difference in color. It is not comparable to the blue jackets that have tan contrasting elements or even the Senior Officer jacket that are tan with yellowish yokes.

I am not sure if the panel with the blood stripe is really a lighter shade of fabric than the rest of the jacket. I think it is the same color but whoever did the weathering of the jacket left that part cleaner than the rest of the jacket. I am not planning on replicating such details because they are not mentioned in the CS. Making the blood stripe detail is already complicated enough there is no reason to make it even more complicated.

Knowing about these details is nice but it does not help me with my problem. I still do not know if I should use a brown or tan yoke to cover the top buttonhole. I ordered a cream-colored and beige-colored ribbon. I hope that will help me figure out the color of blood stripes and yoke.






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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So the scariff jackets were a bit mix and match, much like our sequel ones for the officers.

Maddel and sefla are not great examples as they are specifically RAID costumes. Do we see that particular shirt on the officers? the front is slightly different? I ask because I'm honestly not sure.

Maddels has no stripes, seflas is like a combo of hers and the cassian style.

This will need a rewrite under the new standard format and the images should make it clearer. Also means we can tweak it to be more clear.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tenebris wrote:
So the scariff jackets were a bit mix and match, much like our sequel ones for the officers.

Maddel and sefla are not great examples as they are specifically RAID costumes. Do we see that particular shirt on the officers? the front is slightly different? I ask because I'm honestly not sure.

Maddels has no stripes, seflas is like a combo of hers and the cassian style.

This will need a rewrite under the new standard format and the images should make it clearer. Also means we can tweak it to be more clear.



It is not a shirt, it is a jacket. Selfa wears the same type of jacket as Cassian Andor and the Yavin Operation Officers/Troopers. It is just a different color. Maddel's jacket is supposed to be the same jacket. I have no clue why her jacket does not have the blood stripes. If you enlarge her photo with the vest you can see that her jacket has the fabric panel for the blood stripes but the stripes themselves are missing. You can also see that the panel fabric is the same color as the rest of the jacket.

Maddel can be seen without her vest at the large rebel meeting on Yavin 4. She is standing beside another female Yavin Operations Trooper. It that instance Maddel is a Yavin Operations Trooper and not a Scarif Marine because she does not wear her vest. Many Scarif Marines are just Yavin Operations Troopers with extra gear.

The Yavin Operations Troopers and the Yavin Operations Officers are almost identical. The main difference is the rank badge, in some cases the belt as well as the optional blaster pistol and holster.

Some of the Scarifs Marines are very good sources for the Yavin Operations Officer jacket details. Some wear the same type of jacket as Cassian Andor in different colors. It shows us that there are quite a few color variations. There are also some good close-ups of the blood stripe details.

The new movies (Ep 7, 8, R1 and Solo) have made our lives a lot more complicated. Nothing is as clear as it used to be. Since Rogue One we have a basic costume (Signals Intelligence Technician) that can become other costumes just by adding or switching out components (Yavin Operations Trooper/Officer, Scarif Marine, and Rogue One Senior Officer). The colors of the jackets, shirts, and pants also inconsistant.

Getting clear reference photos for the new CS format might be difficult Yavin Operations Officers. Doing the research was not easy.

As far as I remember, Selfa is the only officer with a yellowish-tan jacket. He is also the only officer seen without his rank badge in the meeting. All the other Yavin Operations Officers wore light brown, medium brown, dark brown and blue jackets with tan blood stripes and their rank badge. The blue jackets are the only ones that have a tan yoke, collar, waistband, and tan blood stripes.



































Here are the links to the research of both the Yavin Operations Officers and Yavin Operations Troopers.

Yavin Operations Officers
http://www.forum.rebellegion.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=93132

Yavin Operations Troopers
http://www.forum.rebellegion.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=92512
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for linking to the research.......it is the same as a Cassians! I'd not realized, maybe because of the colour.

Someone did mention the plaquet detail early on, but it didn't seem to go into the standard as an option? I'll have a slower re-read of it.


Amen to that, writing standards with loads of options for generics and referencing it all it really tricky. But i do think its worth it....i think the new standards are easier to read.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tenebris wrote:
Thanks for linking to the research.......it is the same as a Cassians! I'd not realized, maybe because of the colour.

Someone did mention the plaquet detail early on, but it didn't seem to go into the standard as an option? I'll have a slower re-read of it.


Amen to that, writing standards with loads of options for generics and referencing it all it really tricky. But i do think its worth it....i think the new standards are easier to read.



I was one of the people working on the standard but I am not sure what you mean with plaquet detail. Could you explain what that is? I tried to google it but I am not sure if what I found is the same thing.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PArmstr wrote:
tenebris wrote:
Thanks for linking to the research.......it is the same as a Cassians! I'd not realized, maybe because of the colour.

Someone did mention the plaquet detail early on, but it didn't seem to go into the standard as an option? I'll have a slower re-read of it.


Amen to that, writing standards with loads of options for generics and referencing it all it really tricky. But i do think its worth it....i think the new standards are easier to read.



I was one of the people working on the standard but I am not sure what you mean with plaquet detail. Could you explain what that is? I tried to google it but I am not sure if what I found is the same thing.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placket
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kman wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placket


Thanks for the link, kman.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2019 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I finished taking apart the second jacket and removing stuff from the first jacket. I have two bags of small fabric pieces as well as two sleeves and a back part to work with. I should have enough fabric for the cuffs, pockets, the yoke, and the stuff I do not have a name for. So the yoke that is going to cover the top buttonhole will be the same color as the jacket. I also cut the jacket to my torso and arm length.

The cream-colored and tan-colored ribbons came yesterday. The cream on looks white to me. The tan one looks also a little light to me but should work for my Scarif Marine. Yes, I am also working on that costume. I still need a costume for cold events.

Next, I am going to figure out the correct measurements of the items I need to add to the jacket.

This is how I want to add the blood stripes. The first step is to sew a lot of brown ribbons on an 8cm wide and 54cm long piece of fabric from the second jacket. The ribbon pieces are 10mm wide and each ribbon will be 5mm apart. Then I will open up the shoulder seam where the blood stripes will go in. Next, I want to make a cut down the center of the sleeve and fold the fabric back 2 centimeters on each side. Last I will sew the blood stripes into the sleeve.








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PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2019 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just finished modifying the back pleat. It looks more like the reference now.

















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PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2019 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It looks like you are making great progress! I think your plan for the bloodstripes sounds like a solid plan! I think the color should work too. Smile

Something to consider that may be less work, is that it may be possible to applique the strip of fabric with the stripes onto the sleeve without taking it apart. (Sew the strip directly onto the sleeve.)


For anyone who is following your build and is worried about the sewing involved in your bloodstripe plan, there was a neat method posted in the Cassian facebook group that might work as an alternate for them. The poster used flocked heat transfer vinyl cut to the proper size and spacing, and ironed them on. I believe she had a cricut machine that she used to make the cutting easier.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I looked into the other two methods of making blood stripes. I think I am going to stick to my plan. It is going to be a lot of work, but it is the method I feel the most comfortable with.

I figured out the measurements for my pockets yesterday and sewed them this morning. The pockets of Cassian Andor's jacket were narrow and long because Diego Luna is tall and skinny compared to me. My pockets are wide and short compared to his pockets because I am small and obese.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that being comfortable with a method is important. The stripes are something people have struggled with in my base. Might be worth looking into the detachment doing a tutorial with the different options?



I think as long as everything looks proportional it should be fine.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tenebris wrote:
I think that being comfortable with a method is important. The stripes are something people have struggled with in my base. Might be worth looking into the detachment doing a tutorial with the different options?



I am going to document my progress with the blood stripes as good as I can in this WIP. I might make a tutorial at a later time.


tenebris wrote:
I think as long as everything looks proportional it should be fine.



Well, I hope it will look proportional. I invested a lot of time to find out the correct measurements for the pockets. First I measured the space between the bottom edge of the yoke and the bottom edge of the waistband on the reference. That is 100%. Then I measured the length and width of the pockets. Next, I calculated the size ratio of each item to the first measurement I took. After that, I measured the space between the bottom edge of the yoke and the bottom edge of my jacket. As well as the total width of my yoke. I will have to shorten the jacket some more at the bottom so that the jacket stays the same length when I add my waistband to it. Last I calculated the correct size for my pocket by using the information I gathered.
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