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Revised A-Wing (RotJ) standards

 
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Dr. Morbius (Ingo Kaiser)
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2019 12:47 pm    Post subject: Revised A-Wing (RotJ) standards Reply with quote

A-WING PILOT (ROTJ)

1.Flight Suit:

REQUIRED:

• Green colored flight suit (Lincoln green, Forest Green, dark Green or similar green color), Olive Drab, Kelly Green or greens that show a predominance of blue should not be acceptable.
• Flight suit has a folding style collar (club type), with a rectangular closure tab closing to wearer’s left side. Closure tab may be pointed (chevron).
• Left arm has a pocket 2-3 inches below shoulder. 3 layers including a base, a layer that has two channel pockets and an upper layer with the same two channel pockets. The over-all pocket is tilted between 15-40 degrees towards the front. All layers have a double stitch around the edges. With the channels being the only openings. Original was a bellow type pocket but bellow type is optional.
• Thigh pockets with rectangular flap closures.
• No other pockets. Especially Commpad pocket, code cylinder pocket and pocket on right arm are not allowed.
• No visible zippers or snaps, zipper cover has a female opening (attached on wearer’s right side) of the suit.

OPTIONAL:

• Left arm pocket may be bellow type and/or may have rounded lower edges.
• Rectangular application on shoulders from edge of shoulder to almost the collar.
• Trapezoidal applications/fake pockets on left and right side of chest running down to the belt section.
• Rectangular application on the sides of the legs visible half on the front and half on the back.


2. Gaiters/Spats:

REQUIRED:

• Gaiters are identical to B-Wing and Y-Wing pieces.
• A centered double rib should run down the front of the gaiter with a small separation between them. A aprox. 1" black backpack buckle should be sewn to the spat/gator at the top just on the outside of the ribs. A 1/2-3/4" strap, made of the same material, should run the circumference of the gaiter and should be at the top of the back and run approximately 3" down on the front of the spat/gator. Appropriate material should be a light tan canvas or similar weight material. Leather is not acceptable.
• The gaiters’ height should be above mid-calf to just under the knee.

3. Boots:

REQUIRED:

• Boots should be mid-calf black boots (Jak boots or engineer boots are acceptable)
• Leather pull-on style preferred with low heels.
• No laces or ankle buckles
• No non-black zippers. Any zipper closure must be either hidden or on the inside calf.
• No zippers on front or outside of calf of boots.
• High-Calf and Low-Calf boots are acceptable if fully covered by the Gaiters.

OPTIONAL:

• small buckle at top edge of boot (Original German 60’s Jackboots used in the film) may be used if covered by blousing or gaiters.

4. Belt:

REQUIRED:

• Belt is white, or naturally colored (off white) aprox. 2" webbing/belt strap.
• Buckle is a black snap-release buckle and is on the back of the belt.
• Along the front of the belt is a piece of belt material. the material is stitched to the belt. It has two triangles stitched into it with black thread. The apex of the triangles should face the center of the belt material overlay (that is they are almost on their sides).
• Along the right side of the belt, are 8 mini-flare loops. Can be filled with any number between 3 and 8. Mini-flares may be used in aluminium or metal colored wood.


5. Ejection Harness:

REQUIRED:

• The ejection harness is one piece of the same aprox. 2” wide webbing that is folded in the middle and attached to the flak vest. It runs down in two equally long pieces between the belt and the extra piece of belt material with the triangle stitchings.
• The loops for each leg are approximately knee height with a silver colored slide. The loops should not have any visible excess strapping after the slides.


6. Flak Vest:

REQUIRED:

• Accurately styled scoop-necked grey, grey-brown or naturally colored woolfelt or similar type material flak vest.
• vest is made out of 1 piece.
• A small black (aprox. 1 inch wide) plastic snap-release is attached with next to no visible webbing to the vest at about the same height as the lower edge of the flightsuits closure tab.
• Aprox. 1 inch wide straps run from buckles down the front and attach to the chestbox.
• On the front is a white/off-white “bib” section made from ballistic nylon or similar coarse weaved synthetic material. The shape of this section is the same as the front. It has a seem running around the edge, a rib aprox. 1/4 inch from the top and bottom and a seam running along the middle at the top of the wings.
• On the outer right wing of the white material should be an accurate circular disc greebly. It is aprox. 2" in diameter. Consisting of raised quarters with hex head nuts and a lower center portion. It is colored with the raised portions being the same color.
• The back and front side-pieces are connected by hidden velcro along the sides under the arms, where the front panel lies over the back panel.


6. Chest Box:

REQUIRED:


• Accurately styled black chest box with accurate ribs and circuit board.
• Accurately shaped lower soft round chest box piece, covered in white/off-white cloth.
• A white dome is attached to this piece with a white/off-white 1 inch strap going around the lower chest box piece.
• A white gathered cloth covered hose is attached to the bottom of the dome piece and is tucked away on the flight suit or under the belt.


7. Gloves:

REQUIRED:

• Black gauntlet-style gloves (flared leather or pleather preferred, cloth or rubber gloves are not acceptable) without any buckles straps or decorative stitching.

OPTIONAL:

• Black gauntlet-style gloves may have 3 straight lines of seams on the back of the hand.


8. Soft Helmet

REQUIRED:

• Cloth tan AN-H-15 flight cap/helmet (or replica).


Modified: Optional Accessories
1. A-Wing hard helmet with Star Wars style decorations OR
2. Y-Wing helmet with Star Wars style decorations OR
3. X-Wing helmet with Star Wars style decorations OR
5. Black belt box/comm box that attaches that to the left side of the belt.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2019 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is an excellent start, but I'm thinking the references to other costumes (ex: Thigh pockets are same as X-wing thigh pockets) should be dropped in favor of more detail. We can't assume that the reader is familiar with the other costume standard.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2019 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Snap616 wrote:
This is an excellent start, but I'm thinking the references to other costumes (ex: Thigh pockets are same as X-wing thigh pockets) should be dropped in favor of more detail. We can't assume that the reader is familiar with the other costume standard.


That can be easily fixed Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 29, 2019 11:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fixed. Any X-Wing references were removed.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking good so far. A few thoughts, though...

-The strap on the gaiters has a square or rectangular stitch on the front center.

-You didn't mention how the straps should be sewn onto the back of the gaiters. There are two ways seen in ROTJ... Some gaiters have the ends of the straps stitched into the back seam of the gaiters, other gaiters on characters have the ends of the straps simply layered one over the other and sewn flat over the back seam.

-I don't think I'd list the buckles on the boots as an "optional" item, it makes it sound like buckles are accurate. Instead, when describing the boot, perhaps just mention that if the boot has buckles, any buckles over the foot must be removed and any at the top of the shaft need to be covered by blousing the legs of the suit over them.

-The buckle on the belt (and the 1" buckles on the flak vest) are called "side release buckles". Snap buckles I think are, technically, any type of buckle that snaps closed and has to be pressed to be opened, even center-release buckles. Calling them "snap release buckles" may be confusing to applicants.

-The flight cap probably shouldn't be required. If the helmet isn't required the flight cap probably shouldn't be either. The flight cap should be optional, but it should be required if the applicant has an A-wing pilot helmet. That is, they shouldn't wear the helmet without the cap.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Funny Alex that you are picking on all the things that you approved when Robert made an update. I‘ve reused most of what he had already written down...could have said that back then don‘t you agree?
The buckles on the belt ARE ACCURATE as they used the same German Jackboots as the Imperials and there you see the buckles in many instances. The Rebels merely bloused the suits over them or hid them under the gaiters.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 7:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dr. Morbius wrote:
Funny Alex that you are picking on all the things that you approved when Robert made an update. I‘ve reused most of what he had already written down...could have said that back then don‘t you agree?
The buckles on the belt ARE ACCURATE as they used the same German Jackboots as the Imperials and there you see the buckles in many instances. The Rebels merely bloused the suits over them or hid them under the gaiters.
What's with the hostility? I wasn't attacking you. Why can other people leave feedback but I can't? Calm down.

Robert's post was a few years ago, I don't remember any of it,

That said, the boot buckles... It's moot anyway, isn't it, considering the fact that the gaiters would cover the buckles? Other than that, I was just giving you the correct name for the belt and vest buckles so there aren't people submitting costumes with the center release buckles and wondering why they're being asked to change them, and you didn't mention how the straps should be attached to the back of the gaiters so I brought it up. And I didn't see any reason to require the cap as it is, essentially, akin to a helmet in the way of costuming, and if helmets aren't required it seemed logical that the cap wouldn't be required, either, and would just be optional.

I'm sorry if you didn't want any feedback on your proposal. Getting feedback here on proposed standards is all part of the process, and posting this here I figured you were looking for more feedback and ideas. You're under no obligation to change anything that I mentioned and you're free to ignore what I said, I was only trying to be helpful. I meant no offense. Sheesh.
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