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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2018 1:24 pm    Post subject: [Rewrite] Generic Jedi Reply with quote

UNDER CONSTRUCTION

Open for changes and comments until:
2018


Quote:

Standard Name: Generic Jedi
Primary Detachment: KJO
Submission Date:
Existing Standard URL: http://newsite.rebellegion.com/jedi-costume-standards-generic/

Front Image:
Source:

Back / Second View Image
Source:

Character Description
A Jedi was a member of the Jedi Order, who studied, served and used the mystical energies of the Force; usually, the light side of the Force. The weapon of the Jedi was the lightsaber, a weapon with a blade made of pure energy. The Jedi fought for peace and justice in the Galactic Republic, usually against their mortal enemies, the Sith and Dark Jedi, who studied the dark side of the Force.

Colour Description:


Not Allowed:
    - No bare-armed Generic Jedi.
    - No Kimonos’s, karate/judo gi or gi-like construction allowed
    - No vests, or sleeveless V-neck type sweaters may be worn as a sleeveless OT.
    - No decorations / designs from Earth-bound period or culture (Renaissance, Celtic, Asian, tribal, etc.)
    - Kataginu are not permitted.
    - No Earth-bound buckles or buckles that obviously belong to an Earth-bound period, culture or to other sci-fi/fantasy genres.
    - No red, pink or black blades.
    - No Cargo pants.
    - No hakamas.
    - No Corellian Blood Stripes (Han Solo Pants).
    - No rubber boots
    - No visible laces or zippers on boots (zippers on inseam of leg are allowed)
    - Spike heels are not permitted.
    - No bright or loud colors are allowed (examples would include: red, pink, neon green, etc.).
    - Combinations of red and black are not allowed, as they are considered Sith colors.
    - Bags are not pouches, and are not permitted to serve as a pouch/box option.
    - No visible T-shirts are allowed.
    Food capsules: Other metallic colors are not permitted.


Required Items
Outer Tunic:
Required Details:
Basic information:
    Length:
      - minimum length cover the wearer’s buttocks and crotch area completely.
      - Mid-Thigh prefered
      - Can reach to the ground

    Material:
      - Cloth

    Collar:
      - collar approximately 2 inches (5cm) wide.

    Construction:
      - Made with 2 overlapping side panels which close left-over-right.
      - Horizontal seams have to be covered by the obi.


Styles:
    Classic Style:
      - Sleeved Outer Tunic.
      - Sleeves reach to the knuckles when the arms are held down at the side.
      - Mid-Thigh length.

    Sleeveless Style:
      - Only to be worn with sleeved Inner Tunic.

    Short Sleeved Style:
      - worn with armwraps, tight-sleeved inner tunic or long sleeved inner tunic
      - 1/4, 1/2 or 3/4 length.

    Surcoat Style:
      - can have a hood.
      - worn without Tabards.



Tabards:
Required Details:
Basic information:
    Length:
      - In the front the Tabards must extend at least to or past the bottom hem of the outer tunic.
      - In the back, they can end under the obi or must extend at least to or past the bottom hem of the outer tunic.
      - The Tabards can reach to the ground.
      - If the Outer Tunic is reaching the ground the Tabards can be shorter.

    Width:
      - Shoulder width.
      - From the seam of the collar of the Outer Tunic to the edge of the shoulder.
      - Similar wide as the obi.

    Material:
      - Cloth
      - leather or leather-like
      (i would like to leave the leather because of many examples of leather or leather-like tabards (Luminara, Shaak Ti, ..)

    Decoration:
      - Borders
      - Symbols
      - Letters (Aurebesh)

    Design:
      The ends of the tabards can have different designs: square, rounded, triangular, octagonal, etc.


Styles:
    Classic Style:
      - The tabards are forming an Y,
      - do not overlap below the obi.

    Scarf Style:
      - The tabards are hanging around the neck.

    Apron Style:
      A single front tabard below the waist, centrally located, covering the croach area.

    Single Style:
      The tabards are forming an Y and come together to 1 piece below the obi.

    Surcoat Style:
      The back is made of one piece splits in the front to two tabards. The front will be hold by the obi or is sewed to the back with wide armholes.


Obi:
Required Details:
    - 3. Obi (Sash):

    The obi wraps around the waist, and should be approximately three times the width of the belt and/or of a similar width as the tabards.

    a. Obi closures (Velcro, snaps, etc.) should not be visible.

    b. Leather or pleather Obi are permitted.

    c. Obi may have borders.


Belt:
Required Details:
    - 4. Jedi Belt:

    Black or Brown Utility Belt (all belts should be proportional to wearer):

    * Style A: Similar to Prequel Jedi belts: Wide leather main (inner, against the Obi) belt with a thinner secondary belt (outer) on top of the main belt, and a movie-style or similar buckle on the secondary belt.

    a. Thinner secondary belt cannot be loose or “sag”.

    b. Button studs should be used to help anchor the outer/thinner belt to the inner/wider belt. Generally, 8, eight button studs (screw posts or Chicago Screws, preferred) are used. Sam Browne button studs are permitted. The metal of the studs should match the metal of the buckle.

    * Style B: Similar to Original Trilogy (Luke and Old Ben) belts: Singular wide leather belt with a rectangular, octagonal or oval unadorned buckle.

    a. Belts are generally two inches to two and a half inches wide, but the width should be in proportion to the wearer. Very tall or large costumers may need a wider belt. Very short people may need a narrower belt.

    b. Belt closures (Velcro, snaps, etc.) should not be visible.

    c. No Earth-bound buckles or buckles that obviously belong to an Earth-bound period, culture or to other sci-fi/fantasy genres.

    d. Belt and boots should match (be of a complimentary color), i.e., black and black or brown and brown. No black/brown combinations.


Lightsaber Clip:
Required Details:
    - 6. Lightsaber Clip:

    Covertec or similar style lightsaber clip OR a hook/clip for lightsaber on belt.

    a. For the “hook/clip” type of lightsaber attachment, the lightsaber (itself) will likely have a D-ring (similar to the connection system for the armored Darth Vader and Old Ben lightsabers).


Pants & Skirts:
Required Details:
    - 7. Pants or skirt:

    a. Pants should largely be non-descript without decoration. Traditional pants pockets are permitted, but must not be visible (e.g., hidden under the skirt of the OT).

    b. No Cargo pants.

    c. No hakamas.

    d. Skirts (those separate from the OT) should be long enough so that no bare skin is visible, and may be floor length.

    e. No Corellian Blood Stripes (Han Solo Pants).


Boots:
Required Details:
    -8. Boots:

    Brown or Black Boots – Leather or leather-like (no rubber boots).

    a. Mid-calf, but not above the knee. (motorcycle boots, or “engineer” boots, ~ 14″) Extentions like seen in the movie are allowed).

    b. No visible laces or outside zippers. When necessary, inside zippers are permitted.

    c. Straps & shin-spats are allowed but not required (though can be used to cover laces and zippers).

    d. Boots and belts should match (be of a complimentary color), i.e., black and black or brown and brown. No black/brown combinations.

    e. Buckles are permitted, but should complement the boot and not detract from the overall look of the Jedi costume.

    f. Low-heeled 1 – 1 1/2 inches maximum. Spike heels are not permitted.

    g. Mini-Chaps (not above the knee) are allowed.


-:
Required Details:
    -9. No visible t-shirts.


colours:
Required Details:
    - 10. Permitted Colors for Outer Tunics, Inner Tunics, Tabards, Obi, Pants and Robes/Cloaks(capes): Earth tone colors, preferably shades of brown, gray, black and white. Other earth tones are allowed (greens, blues, yellows, violets and reds (where the reds are darker and in the burgundy family), but should be muted. No bright or loud (sharp) colors are allowed (examples would include: red, pink, neon green, etc.). Combinations of red and black are not allowed, as they are considered Sith colors. Colors of the Generic Jedi costume may be mixed and matched (except for the belt and boots). Legion Costume Judges are the final authority on color. If in doubt, contact a Legion Costume Judge for an opinion on proposed color combinations before construction.


Lightsaber:
Required Details:
    - 5. Lightsaber:

    (No toy sabers, no Ultimate FX short saber). The lightsaber may be a static prop (hilt-only). Attached blade(s), LED lights, and sound effects, are allowed but not required.

    a. Metal hilt lightsabers are preferred, though custom lightsabers constructed of other materials are permitted.

    b. Blade colors accepted are: blue, green, yellow, orange, white and violet. No red, pink or black blades.

    c. Double-blade sabers are allowed.



Lightsaber:
Required Details:
    - Silver coloured lightsaber hilt.
    - The lightsaber may be a static prop (hilt-only).
    - Attached blade(s), LED lights, and sound effects, are allowed but not required.
    - If bladed must be purple.
    - No toy sabers, no Ultimate FX short saber.



Formal Requirements - 3 of 4

Inner tunic:
Required Details:
    - 1. Inner Tunic (IT): May be a full tunic or a false tunic (meaning a collar, neck portion and sleeves may be added to a shirt or t-shirt). Dickies or tunics/shirts with a Mandarin collar are allowed.

    a. If the OT is sleeveless, then an IT must be worn and must have long sleeves.

    b. Blouses and standard store bought turtlenecks may be used, but will not be considered ITs for the purposes of costume requirements.


Pouches:
Required Details:
    - 2. Jedi Pouches: Two (or more) utility pouches or resin cast utility boxes. ( Leather or leather-like material or resin cast boxes, as seen in the Star Wars universe. )

    a. The paint scheme on resin cast boxes should blend well with the overall costume.

    b. Bags are not pouches, and are not permitted to serve as a pouch/box option.


Food Capsules:
Required Details:
    - 3. Food pellets (at least one set of four) Food pellets should be painted a metallic color and may be gold, silver, bronze, copper or pewter. Other metallic colors are not permitted.


Robe:
Required Details:
    - 4.Jedi Robe or Cloak (Cape): Large Jedi robe or cloak (cape) with attached over-sized hood, similar to Prequel movie canon robes/cloaks, in the same color scheme as listed for the main costume (see #10. above).

    a. A hooded cape with side splits similar in construction that worn by Anakin in Attack of the Clones, is permitted.

    b. The hood should be large enough so that (1) when the hood is up, the sides of the hood drape to extend to or cover the shoulders and (2) when down, the tip of the hood should fall near the small of the back (or lower).

    c. The sleeves should be full and flare larger on the hand end. When the hand end of the robe sleeve is closed, the length of the end of the sleeve should be at least half the length of the costumers arm (or longer). The circumference of the robe sleeve opening (at the hand) should be at least as long as the sleeve (from shoulder to the hem).

    d. The overall body of the robe or cloak/cape should be full.

    e. The length of the robe or cloak/cape should be hemmed no shorter than two inches off the floor.

    f. A generic Jedi may not wear a robe/cloak that is unique to a face character. Example: Count Dooku’s cloak with neck chain.


Additional notes:
    - a. Accessories may include: eye-wear, face coverings and jewelry. Though not required, applicants are encouraged to provide precedence (of their accessory of choice) within the star wars universe.

    b. Arm wraps are permitted provided they are of a style similar to or seen in the Star Wars universe.
    NOTE: While this latest version of the Generic Jedi Costume Standards are attempting to clarify many questions and issues that have crept up since the last update, please be aware that the costume standards are a guide, and are not meant to be an all inclusive outline of required elements. Finally, some measurements or measurement guides have been given in this latest GJCS update. Costumes must be proportional to the wearer; therefore, some costumers may have measurements that fall outside what has been stated. The judges will be looking for quality of workmanship, accurate execution and use of materials in addition to these general standards check lists. If you have a question about fabrics, colors, and parts choices for your build please contact the LCJs for your category about parts/materials you are considering before you start your build. (LCJ listing here)




Costume Resources:
- Reference Photo Gallery -

Author:

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2018 6:33 pm    Post subject: Re: [Rewrite] Generic Jedi Reply with quote

I recommend a few changes for clarity.

1 - the reference to Ki-Adi's Robe in the OT section was always confusing , since this is actually his "Robe" and not his "OT"
(this change will still allow sleeveless OT's as before -- it does not require a change in the judging practices -- but it removes the reference to Ki-Adi as an inspiration for "sleeveless tunics" -- this was always very confusing).

2 - there is precedence for a Jedi to wear only one pouch on his belt (Kenobi ANH; Luke ROTJ) -- therefore the requirement for "2-or-more pouches" is not supported by references.

3 - I would ask to remove the shades-of-Purple from the color chart. I feel the references don't support purple OT's.

4 - there is no reference for "leather or pleather obi".

5 - re: "no visible T-shirts" -- this is already covered in the IT section,
re:"must be of a style seen in the SW universe".

6 - re: "the metal of the studs should match the metal of the buckle" -- this is not supported by references.
(Mace Windu III has silver buckle with gold studs; Anakin I has 2-tone buckle (gold/silver) with silver studs).

7 - added "Crossguard sabers (example:Kylo Ren)" -- there are references to support this in the SW:Rebels cartoon.


Leroni wrote:
UNDER CONSTRUCTION

Open for changes and comments until:
2018


Quote:

Standard Name: Generic Jedi
Primary Detachment: KJO
Submission Date:
Existing Standard URL: http://newsite.rebellegion.com/jedi-costume-standards-generic/

Front Image:
Source:

Back / Second View Image
Source:

Character Description
A Jedi was a member of the Jedi Order, who studied, served and used the mystical energies of the Force; usually, the light side of the Force. The weapon of the Jedi was the lightsaber, a weapon with a blade made of pure energy. The Jedi fought for peace and justice in the Galactic Republic, usually against their mortal enemies, the Sith and Dark Jedi, who studied the dark side of the Force.

Colour Description:


Required Items
Outer Tunic:
Required Details:
    - 1. Outer tunic (OT):
    - Made with 2 overlapping side panels which close left-over-right. Can be sleeved or sleeveless.

    - Sleeved: Sleeves should hang at least to the knuckles when the arms are held down at the side.
    - Sleeveless: OTs may be sleeveless as long as an Inner Tunic (IT) is worn and is long sleeved. No bare-armed Generic Jedi.
    - Sleeveless outer tunics may be fastened at the front and have an attached hood (recommended), though a hood is not compulsory. No vests, or sleeveless V-neck type sweaters may be worn as a sleeveless OT. A sleeveless OT should be surcoat or standard OT style in length. (Ki Adi Mundi and Sarrissa Jeng are examples of surcoat style OT’s.)
    - Tabards should not be worn with Ki Adi Mundi style OT or surcoat. Tabards are required with the standard OT style.

    - No Kimonos’s, karate/judo gi or gi-like construction allowed.
    - OT’s should have a collar approximately 2 inches (5cm) wide.
    - OTs overall length may be variable and may extend to the floor. Mid thigh is preferred.
    - OT’s minimal length should be long enough to at least cover the wearer’s buttocks and crotch area completely.OTs are generally made in a fashion where there is a full skirt (attached to the main body of the OT) where the seam is hidden by the obi.
    - OT´s minimum length must cover crotch and buttocks.


Tabards:
Required Details:
    - 2. Tabards:

    Must extend at least to or past the bottom hem of the OT on the front. The back tabards may end under the obi or may extend to (or past) the bottom hem of the OT (or may be the same length as the front tabards). This guideline is obviously for the more traditional length OTs.

    For OTs that are longer (past the knee or to the floor or where a full length skirt is worn), the tabard length would be more variable may be shorter than the tunic.

    a. Tabard construction should be such that the front tabards do not overlap. cross. This is often accomplished by constructing the tabards in a “Y” formation where any seam joining the tabard below the obi to the tabard above the obi is covered by the obi. Tabards may cross in the back. Tabards may be sewn together in the back.

    b. Scarf-style tabards, having an around-the-neck design, are permitted.

    c. A single front tabard below the waist, centrally located (covering the crotch area) is permitted.

    d. The end of the front tabard(s) may have a variable design (square, rounded, triangular, octagonal, etc.)

    e. Tabards may have borders and/or varying decorative symbols or other decorations (such as Aurebesh, etc.). The decorations/designs should not obviously be from an Earth-bound period or culture (Renaissance, Celtic, Asian, tribal, etc.)

    f. Leather or pleather tabards are permitted.

    g. Tabard width should generally be from the seam at the collar of the OT to the edge of the shoulder and be a similar width as the obi. A general width to use would be 5 inches to 6 inches wide (depending on one’s height and build). Common sense should be used in selecting Tabard width, and the width should be proportional to the costumer’s body.

    h. Kataginu are not permitted.


Obi:
Required Details:
    - 3. Obi (Sash):

    The obi wraps around the waist, and should be approximately three times the width of the belt and/or of a similar width as the tabards.

    Made of cloth, the obi usually matches the OT (in cases where the tabard and OT are different); it can also match the tabard (if tabard is not leather).

    a. Obi closures (Velcro, snaps, etc.) should not be visible.

    b. Leather or pleather Obi are permitted.


    b. Obi may have borders.


Belt:
Required Details:
    - 4. Jedi Belt:

    Black or Brown Utility Belt (all belts should be proportional to wearer):

    * Style A: Similar to Prequel Jedi belts: Wide leather main belt (inner, against the Obi) with a thinner secondary belt (outer) on top of the main belt, and a movie-style or similar buckle on the secondary belt. OT-style buckles are allowed.

    a. Thinner secondary belt cannot be loose or “sag”.

    b. Button studs should be used to help anchor the outer/thinner belt to the inner/wider belt. Generally, 8, eight button studs (screw posts or Chicago Screws, preferred) are used. Sam Browne button studs are permitted. The metal of the studs should match the metal of the buckle.

    * Style B: Similar to Original Trilogy (Luke and Old Ben) belts: Singular wide leather belt with a rectangular, octagonal or oval unadorned buckle.

    a. Belts are generally two inches to two and a half inches wide, but the width should be in proportion to the wearer. Very tall or large costumers may need a wider belt. Very short people may need a narrower belt.

    b. Belt closures (Velcro, snaps, etc.) should not be visible.

    c. No Earth-bound buckles or buckles that obviously belong to an Earth-bound period, culture or to other sci-fi/fantasy genres.

    d. Belt and boots should match (be of a complimentary color), i.e., black and black or brown and brown. No black/brown combinations.


Lightsaber Clip:
Required Details:
    - 6. Lightsaber Clip:

    Covertec or similar style lightsaber clip OR a hook/clip for lightsaber on belt.

    a. For the “hook/clip” type of lightsaber attachment, the lightsaber (itself) will have a D-ring (similar to the connection system for the Luke Skywalker armored Darth Vader and Old Ben lightsabers).


Pants & Skirts:
Required Details:
    - 7. Pants or skirt:

    a. Pants should largely be non-descript be plain solid colors without decoration. Traditional pants pockets are permitted, but must not be visible (e.g., hidden under the skirt of the OT).

    b. No Cargo pants.

    c. No hakamas.

    d. Skirts (those separate from the OT) should be long enough so that no bare skin is visible, and may be floor length.

    e. No Corellian Blood Stripes (Han Solo Pants).


Boots:
Required Details:
    -8. Boots:

    Brown or Black Boots – Leather or leather-like (no rubber boots).

    a. Mid-calf, but not above the knee. (motorcycle boots, or “engineer” boots, ~ 14″) Extentions like seen in the movie are allowed).

    b. No visible laces or outside zippers. When necessary, inside zippers on the inseam of the leg are permitted.

    c. Straps & shin-spats are allowed but not required (can be used to cover laces and zippers).

    d. Boots and belts should match (be of a complimentary color), i.e., black and black or brown and brown. No black/brown combinations.


    e. Buckles are permitted, but should complement the boot and not detract from the overall look of the Jedi costume.

    f. Low-heeled 1 – 1 1/2 inches maximum. Spike heels are not permitted.

    g. Mini-Chaps (not above the knee) are allowed. Extensions like seen in the movie are allowed.


-:
Required Details:
    -9. No visible t-shirts.


colours:
Required Details:
    - 10. Permitted Colors for Outer Tunics, Inner Tunics, Tabards, Obi, Pants and Robes/Cloaks(capes): Earth tone colors, preferably shades of brown, gray, black and white. Other earth tones are allowed (greens, blues, yellows, and crimson), red (where the reds are darker and in the burgundy family), but should be muted. No bright or loud (sharp) colors are allowed (examples would include: red, pink, neon green, etc.). Combinations of red and black are not allowed, as they are considered Sith colors. Colors of the Generic Jedi costume may be mixed and matched. Legion Costume Judges are the final authority on color. If in doubt, contact a Legion Costume Judge for an opinion on proposed color combinations before construction.


Lightsaber:
Required Details:
    - 5. Lightsaber:

    A realistic lightsaber hilt is required. The lightsaber may be a static prop (hilt-only);
    Attached blade(s), LED lights & sound effects are allowed but not required.
    (No toy sabers, no Ultimate FX short saber).

    a. Metal hilt lightsabers are preferred, though custom lightsabers constructed of other materials are permitted.
    (example: 3D printed)

    b. Blade colors accepted are: blue, green, yellow, orange, white and violet. No red, pink or black blades.

    c. Double-blade sabers are allowed. (example:Darth Maul)

    d. Crossguard sabers are allowed (example:Kylo Ren)



Lightsaber:
Required Details:
    - Silver coloured lightsaber hilt.
    - The lightsaber may be a static prop (hilt-only).
    - Attached blade(s), LED lights, and sound effects, are allowed but not required.
    - If bladed must be purple.
    - No toy sabers, no Ultimate FX short saber.



Formal Requirements - 3 of 4

Inner tunic:
Required Details:
    - 1. Inner Tunic (IT): May be a full tunic or a false tunic (meaning a collar, neck portion and sleeves may be added to a shirt or t-shirt). Dickies or tunics/shirts with a Mandarin collar are allowed.

    a. If the OT is sleeveless, then an IT must be worn and must have long sleeves.

    b. the neck line of the IT must be of a style seen on Jedi in the SW universe.
    (examples: Anakin, Kit Fisto, Plo Koon, etc)

    b. Blouses and standard store bought turtlenecks Alternate necklines may be used, but will not be considered ITs for the purposes of costume requirements.


Pouches:
Required Details:
    - 2. Jedi Pouches: Two One (or more) utility pouches or resin cast utility boxes. (Leather or leather-like material, or resin cast boxes, as seen in the Star Wars universe. )

    a. The paint scheme on resin cast boxes should blend well with the overall costume.

    b. Bags are not pouches, and are not permitted to serve as a pouch/box option.


Food Capsules:
Required Details:
    - 3. Food pellets (at least one set of four) Food pellets should be painted a metallic color and may be gold, silver, bronze, copper or pewter. Other metallic colors are not permitted.


Robe:
Required Details:
    - 4.Jedi Robe or Cloak (Cape): Large Jedi robe or cloak (cape) with attached over-sized hood, similar to Prequel movie canon robes/cloaks, in the same color scheme as listed for the main costume (see #10. above).

    a. A hooded cape with side splits tabbards similar in construction to that worn by Anakin in Attack of the Clones, is permitted.
    A hooded cape similar to Luke in Return of the Jedi, is also permitted.

    b. The hood should be large enough so that (1) when the hood is up, the sides of the hood drape to extend to or cover the shoulders and (2) when down, the tip of the hood should fall near the small of the back (or lower).

    c. The sleeves should be full and flare larger at the cuff on the hand end. When the hand end of the robe sleeve is closed, the length of the end of the sleeve should be at least half the length of the costumers arm (or longer). The circumference of the robe sleeve opening (at the cuff hand) should be at least as long as the sleeve (from shoulder to the hem).

    d. The overall body of the robe or cloak/cape should be full bell shaped (wider at the floor than the shoulder).

    e. The length of the robe or cloak/cape should be hemmed no shorter than two inches off the floor.

    f. A generic Jedi may not wear a robe/cloak that is unique to a face character. Example: Count Dooku’s cloak with neck chain.


Additional notes:
    - a. Accessories may include: eye-wear, face coverings and jewelry. Though not required, applicants are encouraged to provide precedence (of their accessory of choice) within the star wars universe.

    b. Arm wraps are permitted provided they are of a style similar to or seen in the Star Wars universe.

    c. Some measurements or measurement guides have been given in this latest GJCS update. Costumes must be proportional to the wearer; therefore, some costumers may have measurements that fall outside what has been stated.

    d. the costume standards are a guide for the judging process, and are not meant to be an all inclusive "how-to" guide for costume construction, nor an all inclusive outline of all required elements which make up a "Jedi" costume.

    e. the LCJ's have the final say on color and materials choices. If you have a question about fabrics, colors, and materials choices for your build, please contact the LCJs for your category before you start your build.

    NOTE: While this latest version of the Generic Jedi Costume Standards are attempting to clarify many questions and issues that have crept up since the last update, please be aware that the costume standards are a guide, and are not meant to be an all inclusive outline of required elements. Finally, some measurements or measurement guides have been given in this latest GJCS update. Costumes must be proportional to the wearer; therefore, some costumers may have measurements that fall outside what has been stated. The judges will be looking for quality of workmanship, accurate execution and use of materials in addition to these general standards check lists. If you have a question about fabrics, colors, and parts choices for your build please contact the LCJs for your category about parts/materials you are considering before you start your build. (LCJ listing here)




Costume Resources:
- Reference Photo Gallery -

Author:


8 - re: black boots only with black belt

personally, I would ask to remove black boots and black belt altogether.....
....however, I know this will be very unpopular.

--> IF we are going to allow black boots and black belt,
then I feel these two items should not be tied to each other like this,
in such an arbitrary fashion.

none of it is supported by references.

ie:

a) RL standards are created from "references".

b) there is no requirement in the movies for boots and belt to match with each other, in the first place.
(see: obiwan III -- this reference shows boots and belt are drastically different).

c) there is no reference to support black boots nor black belt, being worn by a Jedi, AT ALL.
(Luke was merely a padawan when he made this fashion choice).

-therefore-

d) there should be no RL standard which requires 'black boots' together with 'matching belts'.

neither point here , is supported by reference...

...but combining the 2 points together into a single rule (with no reference to support the union) seems even worse.

((we already have a problem with standards not supported by references -- combining 2 unsupported rules together, dependent on each other, only "compounds" this problem))



--> I feel that we need to remove the link between black boots and black belt.

then we can discuss references for (a) black boots; and (b) black belt -- separately.

(note: Luke ROTJ doesn't count as a reference for this -- he was not a "Jedi" when he dressed in all-black -- he was merely a conflicted padawan).
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 7:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Smile

as i copied the text to the new structure i saw a lot of problems.
There are some ways to go.

We can make 1 standard that includes all known jedi, or we can make 2 standards the "film-jedi" and the "comics-jedi".

i think it would be better to make only 1 standard and include everything.
the most important .. to write it clearer. .. at the moment its chaos.

With the standard like it is now i found out its not possible for me to answer some questions. the latest: 3/4 sleeves. ...
Sleeves. we know the sleeves from the outer tunic have to be wide and reach the knuckles. what about sleeveless tunic, why the inner tunic sleeves are not explained. are they realy allowed to be fitted and reach to the wrist? are 3/4 sleeves without armwraps allowed? .. etc etc.
there are a lot of questions, not answered with the standard.

i also see it always as problem when the reference goes to another standard or more worst to a costume without standard, like "Ki Adi Mundi and Sarrissa Jeng".

Also the boots are always a problem. in the meantime i found a lot of "biker-boots" within the film also at named characters. ..

This standard is a huge costruction zone and i think the first question we have to answer: 1 standard or 2 standards.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

how is this?

this would allow for short-sleeved or sleeveless OT,
only in cases where the IT is long sleeved.

(if the OT has long sleeves, then the IT may be sleeveless)






Quote:

Standard Name: Generic Jedi
Primary Detachment: KJO
Submission Date:
Existing Standard URL: http://newsite.rebellegion.com/jedi-costume-standards-generic/

Front Image:
Source:

Back / Second View Image
Source:

Character Description
A Jedi was a member of the Jedi Order, who studied, served and used the mystical energies of the Force; usually, the light side of the Force. The weapon of the Jedi was the lightsaber, a weapon with a blade made of pure energy. The Jedi fought for peace and justice in the Galactic Republic, usually against their mortal enemies, the Sith and Dark Jedi, who studied the dark side of the Force.

Colour Description:


Required Items
Outer Tunic:
Required Details:
    - 1. Outer tunic (OT):
    - Made with 2 overlapping side panels which close left-over-right. Can be sleeved or sleeveless.

    - Long Sleeved: Sleeves should hang at least to the knuckles when the arms are held down at the side. If OT has long sleeves, then IT may be sleeveless.
    - Short Sleeved & Sleeveless: OTs may be short-sleeved or sleeveless as long as an Inner Tunic (IT) is worn and is long sleeved. No bare-armed Generic Jedi.
    - Sleeveless outer tunics may be fastened at the front and have an attached hood (recommended), though a hood is not compulsory. No vests, or sleeveless V-neck type sweaters may be worn as a sleeveless OT. A sleeveless OT should be surcoat or standard OT style in length. (Ki Adi Mundi and Sarrissa Jeng are examples of surcoat style OT’s.)
    - Tabards should not be worn with Ki Adi Mundi style OT or surcoat. Tabards are required with the standard OT style.

    - No Kimonos’s, karate/judo gi or gi-like construction allowed.
    - OT’s should have a collar approximately 2 inches (5cm) wide.
    - OTs overall length may be variable and may extend to the floor. Mid thigh is preferred.
    - OT’s minimal length should be long enough to at least cover the wearer’s buttocks and crotch area completely.OTs are generally made in a fashion where there is a full skirt (attached to the main body of the OT) where the seam is hidden by the obi.
    - OT´s minimum length must cover crotch and buttocks.


Tabards:
Required Details:
    - 2. Tabards:

    Must extend at least to or past the bottom hem of the OT on the front. The back tabards may end under the obi or may extend to (or past) the bottom hem of the OT (or may be the same length as the front tabards). This guideline is obviously for the more traditional length OTs.

    For OTs that are longer (past the knee or to the floor or where a full length skirt is worn), the tabard length would be more variable may be shorter than the tunic.

    a. Tabard construction should be such that the front tabards do not overlap. cross. This is often accomplished by constructing the tabards in a “Y” formation where any seam joining the tabard below the obi to the tabard above the obi is covered by the obi. Tabards may cross in the back. Tabards may be sewn together in the back.

    b. Scarf-style tabards, having an around-the-neck design, are permitted.

    c. A single front tabard below the waist, centrally located (covering the crotch area) is permitted.

    d. The end of the front tabard(s) may have a variable design (square, rounded, triangular, octagonal, etc.)

    e. Tabards may have borders and/or varying decorative symbols or other decorations (such as Aurebesh, etc.). The decorations/designs should not obviously be from an Earth-bound period or culture (Renaissance, Celtic, Asian, tribal, etc.)

    f. Leather or pleather tabards are permitted.

    g. Tabard width should generally be from the seam at the collar of the OT to the edge of the shoulder and be a similar width as the obi. A general width to use would be 5 inches to 6 inches wide (depending on one’s height and build). Common sense should be used in selecting Tabard width, and the width should be proportional to the costumer’s body.

    h. Kataginu are not permitted.


Obi:
Required Details:
    - 3. Obi (Sash):

    The obi wraps around the waist, and should be approximately three times the width of the belt and/or of a similar width as the tabards.

    Made of cloth, the obi usually matches the OT (in cases where the tabard and OT are different); it can also match the tabard (if tabard is not leather).

    a. Obi closures (Velcro, snaps, etc.) should not be visible.

    b. Leather or pleather Obi are permitted.


    b. Obi may have borders.


Belt:
Required Details:
    - 4. Jedi Belt:

    Black or Brown Utility Belt (all belts should be proportional to wearer):

    * Style A: Similar to Prequel Jedi belts: Wide leather main belt (inner, against the Obi) with a thinner secondary belt (outer) on top of the main belt, and a movie-style or similar buckle on the secondary belt. OT-style buckles are allowed.

    a. Thinner secondary belt cannot be loose or “sag”.

    b. Button studs should be used to help anchor the outer/thinner belt to the inner/wider belt. Generally, 8, eight button studs (screw posts or Chicago Screws, preferred) are used. Sam Browne button studs are permitted. The metal of the studs should match the metal of the buckle.

    * Style B: Similar to Original Trilogy (Luke and Old Ben) belts: Singular wide leather belt with a rectangular, octagonal or oval unadorned buckle.

    a. Belts are generally two inches to two and a half inches wide, but the width should be in proportion to the wearer. Very tall or large costumers may need a wider belt. Very short people may need a narrower belt.

    b. Belt closures (Velcro, snaps, etc.) should not be visible.

    c. No Earth-bound buckles or buckles that obviously belong to an Earth-bound period, culture or to other sci-fi/fantasy genres.

    d. Belt and boots should match (be of a complimentary color), i.e., black and black or brown and brown. No black/brown combinations.


Lightsaber Clip:
Required Details:
    - 6. Lightsaber Clip:

    Covertec or similar style lightsaber clip OR a hook/clip for lightsaber on belt.

    a. For the “hook/clip” type of lightsaber attachment, the lightsaber (itself) will have a D-ring (similar to the connection system for the Luke Skywalker armored Darth Vader and Old Ben lightsabers).


Pants & Skirts:
Required Details:
    - 7. Pants or skirt:

    a. Pants should largely be non-descript be plain solid colors without decoration. Traditional pants pockets are permitted, but must not be visible (e.g., hidden under the skirt of the OT).

    b. No Cargo pants.

    c. No hakamas.

    d. Skirts (those separate from the OT) should be long enough so that no bare skin is visible, and may be floor length.

    e. No Corellian Blood Stripes (Han Solo Pants).


Boots:
Required Details:
    -8. Boots:

    Brown or Black Boots – Leather or leather-like (no rubber boots).

    a. Mid-calf, but not above the knee. (motorcycle boots, or “engineer” boots, ~ 14″) Extentions like seen in the movie are allowed).

    b. No visible laces or outside zippers. When necessary, inside zippers on the inseam of the leg are permitted.

    c. Straps & shin-spats are allowed but not required (can be used to cover laces and zippers).

    d. Boots and belts should match (be of a complimentary color), i.e., black and black or brown and brown. No black/brown combinations.


    e. Buckles are permitted, but should complement the boot and not detract from the overall look of the Jedi costume.

    f. Low-heeled 1 – 1 1/2 inches maximum. Spike heels are not permitted.

    g. Mini-Chaps (not above the knee) are allowed. Extensions like seen in the movie are allowed.


-:
Required Details:
    -9. No visible t-shirts.


colours:
Required Details:
    - 10. Permitted Colors for Outer Tunics, Inner Tunics, Tabards, Obi, Pants and Robes/Cloaks(capes): Earth tone colors, preferably shades of brown, gray, black and white. Other earth tones are allowed (greens, blues, yellows, and crimson), red (where the reds are darker and in the burgundy family), but should be muted. No bright or loud (sharp) colors are allowed (examples would include: red, pink, neon green, etc.). Combinations of red and black are not allowed, as they are considered Sith colors. Colors of the Generic Jedi costume may be mixed and matched. Legion Costume Judges are the final authority on color. If in doubt, contact a Legion Costume Judge for an opinion on proposed color combinations before construction.


Lightsaber:
Required Details:
    - 5. Lightsaber:

    A realistic lightsaber hilt is required. The lightsaber may be a static prop (hilt-only);
    Attached blade(s), LED lights & sound effects are allowed but not required.
    (No toy sabers, no Ultimate FX short saber).

    a. Metal hilt lightsabers are preferred, though custom lightsabers constructed of other materials are permitted.
    (example: 3D printed)

    b. Blade colors accepted are: blue, green, yellow, orange, white and violet. No red, pink or black blades.

    c. Double-blade sabers are allowed. (example:Darth Maul)

    d. Crossguard sabers are allowed (example:Kylo Ren)



Lightsaber:
Required Details:
    - Silver coloured lightsaber hilt.
    - The lightsaber may be a static prop (hilt-only).
    - Attached blade(s), LED lights, and sound effects, are allowed but not required.
    - If bladed must be purple.
    - No toy sabers, no Ultimate FX short saber.



Formal Requirements - 3 of 4

Inner tunic:
Required Details:
    - 1. Inner Tunic (IT): May be a full tunic or a false tunic (meaning a collar, neck portion and sleeves may be added to a shirt or t-shirt). Dickies or tunics/shirts with a Mandarin collar are allowed.

    a. If the OT is sleeveless, then an IT must be worn and must have long sleeves.

    b. the neck line of the IT must be of a style seen on Jedi in the SW universe.
    (examples: Anakin, Kit Fisto, Plo Koon, etc)

    b. Blouses and standard store bought turtlenecks Alternate necklines may be used, but will not be considered ITs for the purposes of costume requirements.


Pouches:
Required Details:
    - 2. Jedi Pouches: Two One (or more) utility pouches or resin cast utility boxes. (Leather or leather-like material, or resin cast boxes, as seen in the Star Wars universe. )

    a. The paint scheme on resin cast boxes should blend well with the overall costume.

    b. Bags are not pouches, and are not permitted to serve as a pouch/box option.


Food Capsules:
Required Details:
    - 3. Food pellets (at least one set of four) Food pellets should be painted a metallic color and may be gold, silver, bronze, copper or pewter. Other metallic colors are not permitted.


Robe:
Required Details:
    - 4.Jedi Robe or Cloak (Cape): Large Jedi robe or cloak (cape) with attached over-sized hood, similar to Prequel movie canon robes/cloaks, in the same color scheme as listed for the main costume (see #10. above).

    a. A hooded cape with side splits tabbards similar in construction to that worn by Anakin in Attack of the Clones, is permitted.
    A hooded cape similar to Luke in Return of the Jedi, is also permitted.

    b. The hood should be large enough so that (1) when the hood is up, the sides of the hood drape to extend to or cover the shoulders and (2) when down, the tip of the hood should fall near the small of the back (or lower).

    c. The sleeves should be full and flare larger at the cuff on the hand end. When the hand end of the robe sleeve is closed, the length of the end of the sleeve should be at least half the length of the costumers arm (or longer). The circumference of the robe sleeve opening (at the cuff hand) should be at least as long as the sleeve (from shoulder to the hem).

    d. The overall body of the robe or cloak/cape should be full bell shaped (wider at the floor than the shoulder).

    e. The length of the robe or cloak/cape should be hemmed no shorter than two inches off the floor.

    f. A generic Jedi may not wear a robe/cloak that is unique to a face character. Example: Count Dooku’s cloak with neck chain.


Additional notes:
    - a. Accessories may include: eye-wear, face coverings and jewelry. Though not required, applicants are encouraged to provide precedence (of their accessory of choice) within the star wars universe.

    b. Arm wraps are permitted provided they are of a style similar to or seen in the Star Wars universe.

    c. Some measurements or measurement guides have been given in this latest GJCS update. Costumes must be proportional to the wearer; therefore, some costumers may have measurements that fall outside what has been stated.

    d. the costume standards are a guide for the judging process, and are not meant to be an all inclusive "how-to" guide for costume construction, nor an all inclusive outline of all required elements which make up a "Jedi" costume.

    e. the LCJ's have the final say on color and materials choices. If you have a question about fabrics, colors, and materials choices for your build, please contact the LCJs for your category before you start your build.

    NOTE: While this latest version of the Generic Jedi Costume Standards are attempting to clarify many questions and issues that have crept up since the last update, please be aware that the costume standards are a guide, and are not meant to be an all inclusive outline of required elements. Finally, some measurements or measurement guides have been given in this latest GJCS update. Costumes must be proportional to the wearer; therefore, some costumers may have measurements that fall outside what has been stated. The judges will be looking for quality of workmanship, accurate execution and use of materials in addition to these general standards check lists. If you have a question about fabrics, colors, and parts choices for your build please contact the LCJs for your category about parts/materials you are considering before you start your build. (LCJ listing here)




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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IMO, "no visible t shirts" should be kept. While I recognize Standards normally try to specify what should, instead of should not, be included (because you can't possibly list every possible exclusion), that one has such a strong potential for being misinterpreted that I think it warrants be called out. Yes, the judges will rightly insist on a change, but why waste everyone's time?

I can't tell the meaning behind the color coding. Is red text being added (which would be standard markup process) or stricken?

Instead of "pleather" I would use either "or leather-like material" or "or synthetic material giving the appearance of leather", both of which are language that has been used in other standards and is less ... squishy. (especially for people who are trying to use translation software)
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 7:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok. points taken.

added back the "no visible t-shirts" (under the inner tunic rules) -- it was sort of floating around on its own before..

and changed the "pleather" wording to match other standards ("leather or leather like material").

and added back Leroni's point about the engineer boots. (reference "green tunic guy" in the AOTC geonosis arena scene)





red is stricken and green is added.


Quote:

Standard Name: Generic Jedi
Primary Detachment: KJO
Submission Date:
Existing Standard URL: http://newsite.rebellegion.com/jedi-costume-standards-generic/

Front Image:
Source:

Back / Second View Image
Source:

Character Description
A Jedi was a member of the Jedi Order, who studied, served and used the mystical energies of the Force; usually, the light side of the Force. The weapon of the Jedi was the lightsaber, a weapon with a blade made of pure energy. The Jedi fought for peace and justice in the Galactic Republic, usually against their mortal enemies, the Sith and Dark Jedi, who studied the dark side of the Force.

Colour Description:


Required Items
Outer Tunic:
Required Details:
    - 1. Outer tunic (OT):
    - Made with 2 overlapping side panels which close left-over-right. Can be sleeved or sleeveless.

    - Long Sleeved: Sleeves should hang at least to the knuckles when the arms are held down at the side. If OT has long sleeves, then IT may be sleeveless.
    - Short Sleeved & Sleeveless: OTs may be shorter than knuckle length or sleeveless, as long as an Inner Tunic (IT) is worn and is long sleeved. No bare-armed Generic Jedi.
    - Sleeveless outer tunics may be fastened at the front and have an attached hood (recommended), though a hood is not compulsory. No vests, or sleeveless V-neck type sweaters may be worn as a sleeveless OT. A sleeveless OT should be surcoat or standard OT style in length. (Ki Adi Mundi and Sarrissa Jeng are examples of surcoat style OT’s.)
    - Tabards should not be worn with Ki Adi Mundi style OT or surcoat. Tabards are required with the standard OT style.

    - No Kimonos’s, karate/judo gi or gi-like construction allowed.
    - OT’s should have a collar approximately 2 inches (5cm) wide.
    - OTs overall length may be variable and may extend to the floor. Mid thigh is preferred.
    - OT’s minimal length should be long enough to at least cover the wearer’s buttocks and crotch area completely.OTs are generally made in a fashion where there is a full skirt (attached to the main body of the OT) where the seam is hidden by the obi.
    - OT´s minimum length must cover crotch and buttocks.


Tabards:
Required Details:
    - 2. Tabards:

    Must extend at least to or past the bottom hem of the OT on the front. The back tabards may end under the obi or may extend to (or past) the bottom hem of the OT (or may be the same length as the front tabards). This guideline is obviously for the more traditional length OTs.

    For OTs that are longer (past the knee or to the floor or where a full length skirt is worn), the tabard length would be more variable may be shorter than the tunic.

    a. Tabard construction should be such that the front tabards do not overlap. cross. This is often accomplished by constructing the tabards in a “Y” formation where any seam joining the tabard below the obi to the tabard above the obi is covered by the obi. Tabards may cross in the back. Tabards may be sewn together in the back.

    b. Scarf-style tabards, having an around-the-neck design, are permitted.

    c. A single front tabard below the waist, centrally located (covering the crotch area) is permitted.

    d. The end of the front tabard(s) may have a variable design (square, rounded, triangular, octagonal, etc.)

    e. Tabards may have borders and/or varying decorative symbols or other decorations (such as Aurebesh, etc.). The decorations/designs should not obviously be from an Earth-bound period or culture (Renaissance, Celtic, Asian, tribal, etc.)

    f. Leather or pleather tabards are leather like material is permitted.

    g. Tabard width should generally be from the seam at the collar of the OT to the edge of the shoulder and be a similar width as the obi. A general width to use would be 5 inches to 6 inches wide (depending on one’s height and build). Common sense should be used in selecting Tabard width, and the width should be proportional to the costumer’s body.

    h. Kataginu are not permitted.


Obi:
Required Details:
    - 3. Obi (Sash):

    The obi wraps around the waist, and should be approximately three times the width of the belt and/or of a similar width as the tabards.

    Made of cloth, the obi usually matches the OT (in cases where the tabard and OT are different); it can also match the tabard (if tabard is not leather).

    a. Obi closures (Velcro, snaps, etc.) should not be visible.

    b. Leather or pleather Obi are permitted.


    b. Obi may have borders.


Belt:
Required Details:
    - 4. Jedi Belt:

    Black or Brown Utility Belt (all belts should be proportional to wearer):

    * Style A: Similar to Prequel Jedi belts: Wide leather main belt (inner, against the Obi) with a thinner secondary belt (outer) on top of the main belt, and a movie-style or similar buckle on the secondary belt. OT-style buckles are allowed.

    a. Thinner secondary belt cannot be loose or “sag”.

    b. Button studs should be used to help anchor the outer/thinner belt to the inner/wider belt. Generally, 8, eight button studs (screw posts or Chicago Screws, preferred) are used. Sam Browne button studs are permitted. The metal of the studs should match the metal of the buckle.

    * Style B: Similar to Original Trilogy (Luke and Old Ben) belts: Singular wide leather belt with a rectangular, octagonal or oval unadorned buckle.

    a. Belts are generally two inches to two and a half inches wide, but the width should be in proportion to the wearer. Very tall or large costumers may need a wider belt. Very short people may need a narrower belt.

    b. Belt closures (Velcro, snaps, etc.) should not be visible.

    c. No Earth-bound buckles or buckles that obviously belong to an Earth-bound period, culture or to other sci-fi/fantasy genres.

    d. Belt and boots should match (be of a complimentary color), i.e., black and black or brown and brown. No black/brown combinations.


Lightsaber Clip:
Required Details:
    - 6. Lightsaber Clip:

    Covertec or similar style lightsaber clip OR a hook/clip for lightsaber on belt.

    a. For the “hook/clip” type of lightsaber attachment, the lightsaber (itself) will have a D-ring (similar to the connection system for the Luke Skywalker armored Darth Vader and Old Ben lightsabers).


Pants & Skirts:
Required Details:
    - 7. Pants or skirt:

    a. Pants should largely be non-descript be plain solid colors without decoration. Traditional pants pockets are permitted, but must not be visible (e.g., hidden under the skirt of the OT).

    b. No Cargo pants.

    c. No hakamas.

    d. Skirts (those separate from the OT) should be long enough so that no bare skin is visible, and may be floor length.

    e. No Corellian Blood Stripes (Han Solo Pants).


Boots:
Required Details:
    -8. Boots:

    Brown or Black Boots – Leather or leather-like (no rubber boots).

    a. Mid-calf, but not above the knee. (motorcycle boots, or “engineer” boots, ~ 14″) Extentions like seen in the movie are allowed).

    b. No visible laces or outside zippers. When necessary, inside zippers on the inseam of the leg are permitted.

    c. Straps & shin-spats are allowed but not required (can be used to cover laces and zippers).

    d. Boots and belts should match (be of a complimentary color), i.e., black and black or brown and brown. No black/brown combinations.


    e. Buckles are permitted, but should complement the boot and not detract from the overall look of the Jedi costume.

    f. Low-heeled 1 – 1 1/2 inches maximum. Spike heels are not permitted.

    g. Mini-Chaps (not above the knee) are allowed. Extensions like seen in the movie are allowed.


-:
Required Details:
    -9. No visible t-shirts.


colours:
Required Details:
    - 10. Permitted Colors for Outer Tunics, Inner Tunics, Tabards, Obi, Pants and Robes/Cloaks(capes): Earth tone colors, preferably shades of brown, gray, black and white. Other earth tones are allowed (greens, blues, yellows, and crimson), red (where the reds are darker and in the burgundy family), but should be muted. No bright or loud (sharp) colors are allowed (examples would include: red, pink, neon green, etc.). Combinations of red and black are not allowed, as they are considered Sith colors. Colors of the Generic Jedi costume may be mixed and matched. Legion Costume Judges are the final authority on color. If in doubt, contact a Legion Costume Judge for an opinion on proposed color combinations before construction.


Lightsaber:
Required Details:
    - 5. Lightsaber:

    A realistic lightsaber hilt is required. The lightsaber may be a static prop (hilt-only);
    Attached blade(s), LED lights & sound effects are allowed but not required.
    (No toy sabers, no Ultimate FX short saber).

    a. Metal hilt lightsabers are preferred, though custom lightsabers constructed of other materials are permitted.
    (example: 3D printed)

    b. Blade colors accepted are: blue, green, yellow, orange, white and violet. No red, pink or black blades.

    c. Double-blade sabers are allowed. (example:Darth Maul)

    d. Crossguard sabers are allowed (example:Kylo Ren)



Lightsaber:
Required Details:
    - Silver coloured lightsaber hilt.
    - The lightsaber may be a static prop (hilt-only).
    - Attached blade(s), LED lights, and sound effects, are allowed but not required.
    - If bladed must be purple.
    - No toy sabers, no Ultimate FX short saber.



Formal Requirements - 3 of 4

Inner tunic:
Required Details:
    - 1. Inner Tunic (IT): May be a full tunic or a false tunic (meaning a collar, neck portion and sleeves may be added to a shirt or t-shirt). Dickies or tunics/shirts with a Mandarin collar are allowed.

    a. If the OT is sleeveless or short sleeved (shorter than knuckle-length), then an IT must be worn and must have long sleeves.

    b. the neck line of the IT must be of a style seen on Jedi in the SW universe.
    (examples: Anakin, Kit Fisto, Plo Koon, etc)

    b. Blouses and standard store bought turtlenecks Alternate necklines may be used, but will not be considered ITs for the purposes of costume requirements.
    No visible T-shirts are allowed.


Pouches:
Required Details:
    - 2. Jedi Pouches: Two One (or more) utility pouches or resin cast utility boxes. (Leather or leather-like material, or resin cast boxes, as seen in the Star Wars universe. )

    a. The paint scheme on resin cast boxes should blend well with the overall costume.

    b. Bags are not pouches, and are not permitted to serve as a pouch/box option.


Food Capsules:
Required Details:
    - 3. Food pellets (at least one set of four) Food pellets should be painted a metallic color and may be gold, silver, bronze, copper or pewter. Other metallic colors are not permitted.


Robe:
Required Details:
    - 4.Jedi Robe or Cloak (Cape): Large Jedi robe or cloak (cape) with attached over-sized hood, similar to Prequel movie canon robes/cloaks, in the same color scheme as listed for the main costume (see #10. above).

    a. A hooded cape with side splits tabbards similar in construction to that worn by Anakin in Attack of the Clones, is permitted.
    A hooded cape similar to Luke in Return of the Jedi, is also permitted.

    b. The hood should be large enough so that (1) when the hood is up, the sides of the hood drape to extend to or cover the shoulders and (2) when down, the tip of the hood should fall near the small of the back (or lower).

    c. The sleeves should be full and flare larger at the cuff on the hand end. When the hand end of the robe sleeve is closed, the length of the end of the sleeve should be at least half the length of the costumers arm (or longer). The circumference of the robe sleeve opening (at the cuff hand) should be at least as long as the sleeve (from shoulder to the hem).

    d. The overall body of the robe or cloak/cape should be full bell shaped (wider at the floor than the shoulder).

    e. The length of the robe or cloak/cape should be hemmed no shorter than two inches off the floor.

    f. A generic Jedi may not wear a robe/cloak that is unique to a face character. Example: Count Dooku’s cloak with neck chain.


Additional notes:
    - a. Accessories may include: eye-wear, face coverings and jewelry. Though not required, applicants are encouraged to provide precedence (of their accessory of choice) within the star wars universe.

    b. Arm wraps are permitted provided they are of a style similar to or seen in the Star Wars universe.

    c. Some measurements or measurement guides have been given in this latest GJCS update. Costumes must be proportional to the wearer; therefore, some costumers may have measurements that fall outside what has been stated.

    d. the costume standards are a guide for the judging process, and are not meant to be an all inclusive "how-to" guide for costume construction, nor an all inclusive outline of all required elements which make up a "Jedi" costume.

    e. the LCJ's have the final say on color and materials choices. If you have a question about fabrics, colors, and materials choices for your build, please contact the LCJs for your category before you start your build.


    NOTE: While this latest version of the Generic Jedi Costume Standards are attempting to clarify many questions and issues that have crept up since the last update, please be aware that the costume standards are a guide, and are not meant to be an all inclusive outline of required elements. Finally, some measurements or measurement guides have been given in this latest GJCS update. Costumes must be proportional to the wearer; therefore, some costumers may have measurements that fall outside what has been stated. The judges will be looking for quality of workmanship, accurate execution and use of materials in addition to these general standards check lists. If you have a question about fabrics, colors, and parts choices for your build please contact the LCJs for your category about parts/materials you are considering before you start your build. (LCJ listing here)




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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 7:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I can't tell the meaning behind the color coding. Is red text being added (which would be standard markup process) or stricken?


here is the proposed revision with no color coding.

edit #1 - (added a note about "covertec" sabers).

edit #2 - (did some housekeeping on the format, and moved "lightsaber" to #5)




@ Leroni : this revision addresses your sleeve issue and your boots issue.

do you think this will work?

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Standard Name: Generic Jedi
Primary Detachment: KJO
Submission Date:
Existing Standard URL: http://newsite.rebellegion.com/jedi-costume-standards-generic/

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Source:

Back / Second View Image
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Character Description
A Jedi was a member of the Jedi Order, who studied, served and used the mystical energies of the Force; usually, the light side of the Force. The weapon of the Jedi was the lightsaber, a weapon with a blade made of pure energy. The Jedi fought for peace and justice in the Galactic Republic, usually against their mortal enemies, the Sith and Dark Jedi, who studied the dark side of the Force.

Colour Description:


Required Items
Outer Tunic:
Required Details:
    - 1. Outer tunic (OT):
    - Made with 2 overlapping side panels which close left-over-right. Can be sleeved or sleeveless.
    - Long Sleeved: Sleeves should hang at least to the knuckles when the arms are held down at the side. If OT has long sleeves, then IT may be sleeveless.
    - Short Sleeved & Sleeveless: OTs may be shorter than knuckle length or may be sleeveless, only if an Inner Tunic (IT) is worn and is long sleeved. No bare-armed Generic Jedi.
    - No Kimonos’s, karate/judo gi or gi-like construction allowed.
    - OT’s should have a collar approximately 2 inches (5cm) wide.
    - OTs overall length may be variable and may extend to the floor. Mid thigh is preferred.
    - OT’s minimal length should be long enough to at least cover the wearer’s buttocks and crotch area completely.


Tabards:
Required Details:
    - 2. Tabards:

    Must extend at least to or past the bottom hem of the OT on the front. The back tabards may end under the obi or may extend to (or past) the bottom hem of the OT.

    For OTs that are longer (past the knee or to the floor), then the tabard length may be shorter than the tunic hem, but not shorter than the knee.

    a. Tabard construction should be such that the front tabards do not cross. This is often accomplished by constructing the tabards in a “Y” formation where any seam joining the tabard below the obi to the tabard above the obi is covered by the obi. Tabards may cross in the back. Tabards may be sewn together in the back.

    b. Scarf-style tabards, having an around-the-neck design, are permitted.

    c. A single front tabard below the waist, centrally located (covering the crotch area) is permitted.

    d. The end of the front tabard(s) may have a variable design (square, rounded, triangular, octagonal, etc.)

    e. Tabards may have borders and/or varying decorative symbols or other decorations (such as Aurebesh, etc.). The decorations/designs should not obviously be from an Earth-bound period or culture (Renaissance, Celtic, Asian, tribal, etc.)

    f. Leather or leather like material is permitted.

    g. Tabard width should generally be from the seam at the collar of the OT to the edge of the shoulder and be a similar width as the obi. A general width to use would be 5 inches to 6 inches wide (depending on one’s height and build). Common sense should be used in selecting Tabard width, and the width should be proportional to the costumer’s body.

    h. Kataginu are not permitted.


Obi:
Required Details:
    - 3. Obi (Sash):

    The obi wraps around the waist, and should be approximately three times the width of the belt and/or of a similar width as the tabards.

    Made of cloth, the obi usually matches the OT (in cases where the tabard and OT are different); it can also match the tabard (if tabard is not leather).

    a. Obi closures (Velcro, snaps, etc.) should not be visible.

    b. Obi may have borders.


Belt:
Required Details:
    - 4. Jedi Belt:

    Black or Brown Utility Belt (all belts should be proportional to wearer):

    * Style A: Similar to Prequel Jedi belts: Wide leather main belt (inner, against the Obi) with a thinner secondary belt (outer) on top of the main belt, and a movie-style or similar buckle on the secondary belt. OT-style buckles are allowed.

    a. Thinner secondary belt cannot be loose or “sag”.

    b. Button studs should be used to help anchor the outer/thinner belt to the inner/wider belt. Generally, 8, eight button studs (screw posts or Chicago Screws, preferred) are used. Sam Browne button studs are permitted.

    * Style B: Similar to Original Trilogy (Luke and Old Ben) belts: Singular wide leather belt with a plain rectangular, octagonal or oval buckle.

    a. Belts are generally two inches to two and a half inches wide, but the width should be in proportion to the wearer. Very tall or large costumers may need a wider belt. Very short people may need a narrower belt.

    b. Belt closures (Velcro, snaps, etc.) should not be visible.

    c. No Earth-bound buckles or buckles that obviously belong to an Earth-bound period, culture or to other sci-fi/fantasy genres.



Lightsaber:
Required Details:
    - 5. Lightsaber:

    A realistic lightsaber hilt is required. The lightsaber may be a static prop (hilt-only);
    Attached blades, LED lights & sound effects are allowed but not required.
    (No toy sabers, no Ultimate FX short saber).

    a. Metal hilt lightsabers are preferred, though custom lightsabers constructed of other materials are permitted.
    (example: 3D printed)

    b. Blade colors accepted are: blue, green, yellow, orange, white and violet. No red, pink or black blades.

    c. Double-blade sabers are allowed.(example:Darth Maul)

    d. Crossguard sabers are allowed (example:Kylo Ren)




Lightsaber Clip:
Required Details:
    - 6. Lightsaber Clip:

    Covertec or similar style lightsaber clip OR a hook/clip for lightsaber on belt.

    a. For the “hook/clip” type of lightsaber attachment, the lightsaber will have a D-ring on the pommel (similar to the connection system for the Luke Skywalker and Old Ben lightsabers).

    b. For the "Covertec" type of lightsaber attachment, the lightsaber will have a round 'covertec button' on the side of the hilt (similar to the connection system for the Anakin Skywalker lightsabers).


Pants & Skirts:
Required Details:
    - 7. Pants or skirt:

    a. Pants should be plain solid colors without decoration. Traditional pants pockets are permitted, but must not be visible (e.g., hidden under the skirt of the OT).

    b. No Cargo pants.

    c. No hakamas.

    d. Skirts (those separate from the OT) should be long enough so that no bare skin is visible, and may be floor length.

    e. No Corellian Blood Stripes (Han Solo Pants).


Boots:
Required Details:
    -8. Boots:

    Brown or Black Boots – Leather or leather-like (no rubber boots).

    a. Mid-calf, but not above the knee. (motorcycle boots, or “engineer” boots, ~14″ are allowed).

    b. No visible laces or zippers. When necessary, zippers on the inseam of the leg are permitted.

    c. Straps & shin-spats are allowed but not required (can be used to cover laces and zippers).

    e. Buckles are permitted, but should not detract from the overall look of the Jedi costume.

    f. Low-heeled 1 – 1 1/2 inches maximum. Spike heels are not permitted.

    g. Mini-Chaps (not above the knee) are allowed. Extensions like seen in the movie are allowed.



colours:
Required Details:
    - 10. Permitted Colors for Outer Tunics, Inner Tunics, Tabards, Obi, Pants and Robes/Cloaks(capes): Earth tone colors, preferably shades of brown, gray, black and white. Other earth tones are allowed (greens, blues, yellows, and crimson), but should be muted. No bright or loud colors are allowed (examples would include: red, pink, neon green, etc.). Combinations of red and black are not allowed, as they are considered Sith colors. Colors of the Generic Jedi costume may be mixed and matched. Legion Costume Judges are the final authority on color. If in doubt, contact a Legion Costume Judge for an opinion on proposed color combinations before construction.



Formal Requirements - 3 of 4

Inner tunic:
Required Details:
    - 1. Inner Tunic (IT): May be a full tunic or a false tunic.
    Dickies are allowed.

    a. If the OT is sleeveless or short sleeved (shorter than knuckle-length), then an IT must be worn and must have long sleeves.

    b. the neck line of the IT must be of a style seen on Jedi in the SW universe.
    (examples: Anakin, Kit Fisto, Plo Koon, mandarin collar, etc).

    c. Alternate necklines may be used, but will not be considered ITs for the purposes of costume requirements.

    d. No visible T-shirts are allowed.


Pouches:
Required Details:
    - 2. Jedi Pouches: One(or more) utility pouches, or resin cast utility boxes. (Leather or leather-like material, or resin cast boxes, as seen in the Star Wars universe.)

    a. The paint scheme on resin cast boxes should blend well with the overall costume.

    b. Bags are not pouches, and are not permitted to serve as a pouch/box option.


Food Capsules:
Required Details:
    - 3. Food pellets (at least one set of four) Food pellets should be painted a metallic color and may be gold, silver, bronze, copper or pewter. Other metallic colors are not permitted.


Robe:
Required Details:
    - 4.Jedi Robe or Cloak (Cape): Large Jedi robe or cloak (cape) with attached over-sized hood, similar to Prequel movie canon robes/cloaks, in the same color scheme as listed for the main costume (see #10. above).

    a. A hooded cape with tabbards similar in construction to that worn by Anakin in Attack of the Clones, is permitted.
    A hooded cape similar to Luke in Return of the Jedi, is also permitted.

    b. The hood should be large enough so that (1) when the hood is up, the sides of the hood drape cover the shoulders and (2) when down, the tip of the hood should fall near the small of the back (or lower).

    c. The sleeves should be full and flare larger at the cuff. For proportion, the circumference of the robe sleeve opening (at the cuff) should be at least as long as the entire sleeve (from shoulder to the hem) or larger.

    d. The overall body of the robe or cloak/cape should be bell shaped (wider at the floor than the shoulder).

    e. The length of the robe or cloak/cape should be hemmed no shorter than two inches off the floor.

    f. A generic Jedi may not wear a robe/cloak that is unique to a face character. Example: Count Dooku’s cloak with neck chain.


Additional notes:
    - a. Accessories may include: eye-wear, face coverings and jewelry. Though not required, applicants are encouraged to provide precedence (of their accessory of choice) within the star wars universe.

    b. Arm wraps are permitted provided they are of a style similar to or seen in the Star Wars universe.

    c. Some measurements or measurement guides have been given in this latest GJCS update. Costumes must be proportional to the wearer; therefore, some costumers may have measurements that fall outside what has been stated.

    d. the costume standards are a guide for the judging process, and are not meant to be an all inclusive "how-to" guide for costume construction, nor an all inclusive outline of all required elements which make up a "Jedi" costume.

    e. the LCJ's have the final say on color and materials choices. If you have a question about fabrics, colors, and materials choices for your build, please contact the LCJs for your category before you start your build.




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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

First of all thank you Cobalt, thank you kman.

I will try to explain some things.
1. the coloured text is very nice for me because it is easier to see what you think that should be changed.
2. i would like to talk with you about the separate parts, that we have a better overview.
3. i think it is important to write how it should look like, not how it is constructed. for the construction there are the tutorials, and the forum. i think a standard should say what should be seen.
4. i try my best to understand and discuss with you, please hold in mind it is not so easy in a foreign language Smile thank you.


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My first question is the most important.
Is this standard for the Films only or for ALL jedi variations?

If we include the comics and cartoons it will make a wider spectrum in all variations.
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We will have a wide spectrum of
Boots (not only the green guy has biker boots, also Cin Drallig, we have top boots ala Mace Windu, etc etc.)

Belts (brown, black, two-toned, - Brown-Black mixed belt - what boots would be allowed?)

Colours (a very wide spectrum also with petrol, and lavender etc.)

Tabards that reach the ground up to the tunic in front and back, tabards that end at the obi in the back, tabards that are only an "apron" (one part under the obi), tabards that looks like a vest (maybe they are vest and no tabards Smile, scarfs, etc.

Inner tunic with wide sleeves, with no sleeves, with fitting sleeves, with cosoure at the sleeves and without.

Outer tunics from croach to ground, OT that looks like vests, without sleeves or with 3/4 sleeves.

Armwraps, bracers, gloves, ...
Pants that are fitting, that are wide
skirts that reach the ground and such that only covers the shin.

0 Pouch up to 7 pouches
food capusules in different colours, 0 up to 14
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within all these variations we need a system.(surcoat style without tabards, etc...) ... that everybody will understand and that it is easy to read.

If we make one Generic standard only for films, we can delete a lot of variations. But than we need a second standard for the variations.
if we make a standard for all visual resources we need to sort it.

yours
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PS: Who the hell wrote Darth Vader to a Rebel Legion standard Shocked
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Color coding is good. It just needs to be labeled clearly, so we know what they mean. Wink

In education, publishing and legal markets, marked up documents are referred to as "red lined", which used to mean red underlining on new text but evolved to mean red text is new so it jumps out. Strikeouts were used for stricken text. So we're going against a centuries-old standard here. Not that this matters, as long as there is a key at the top that lets people know what the color coding scheme is. So all is well. Smile

I'll think more on the changes here later...
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 9:20 am    Post subject: Re: [Rewrite] Generic Jedi Reply with quote

Leroni wrote:


Lightsaber:
Required Details:
    - Silver coloured lightsaber hilt.
    - The lightsaber may be a static prop (hilt-only).
    - Attached blade(s), LED lights, and sound effects, are allowed but not required.
    - If bladed must be purple.
    - No toy sabers, no Ultimate FX short saber.




For lightsaber hilt, it is mentioned that it has to be silver. Is there any tolerance for black on the grip (e.g. Qui-Gon & Obi-Wan's Ep1)?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:12 am    Post subject: Re: [Rewrite] Generic Jedi Reply with quote

ZlaAul wrote:
Leroni wrote:


Lightsaber:
Required Details:
    - Silver coloured lightsaber hilt.
    - The lightsaber may be a static prop (hilt-only).
    - Attached blade(s), LED lights, and sound effects, are allowed but not required.
    - If bladed must be purple.
    - No toy sabers, no Ultimate FX short saber.




For lightsaber hilt, it is mentioned that it has to be silver. Is there any tolerance for black on the grip (e.g. Qui-Gon & Obi-Wan's Ep1)?


Every idea is welcome.
I most like this part of the text, thats why you will find it at every standard (made me a form to fill out. when the text of the standards will be rearranged there is also a change of hilt and light colour)
Quote:

- The lightsaber may be a static prop (hilt-only).
- Attached blade(s), LED lights, and sound effects, are allowed but not required.
- No toy sabers, no Ultimate FX short saber.


So what colours do we have of the hilt ... will we add the hilt colour or delete this sentence?

yours
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello everyone

This Costume is the most difficult to rewrite

We have to give it more time

Yours!
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 12:13 am    Post subject: Re: [Rewrite] Generic Jedi Reply with quote

Leroni wrote:


Every idea is welcome.
I most like this part of the text, thats why you will find it at every standard (made me a form to fill out. when the text of the standards will be rearranged there is also a change of hilt and light colour)
Quote:

- The lightsaber may be a static prop (hilt-only).
- Attached blade(s), LED lights, and sound effects, are allowed but not required.
- No toy sabers, no Ultimate FX short saber.


So what colours do we have of the hilt ... will we add the hilt colour or delete this sentence?

yours
Leroni


Will it be good to have a allowable set of colour combination, such as black, gold, metallic silver, as well as metallic red/yellow for knobs and button?

Removing that specific colour line could introduce questions for judges when a certain Sith looking hilt is used.

And as DCO mentioned, this is indeed one of the most complex standard, totally feel it when doing the translation Razz
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

@ Cobalt: it looks great.

i would have an idea.

what about an paragraph where we bring together all the forbidden things.
I think this would give the possibility to see clear what is allowed.
(only a quick copy made.. no final version)
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Not Allowed:
- No bare-armed Generic Jedi.
- No Kimonos’s, karate/judo gi or gi-like construction allowed
- No decorations / designs from Earth-bound period or culture (Renaissance, Celtic, Asian, tribal, etc.)
- Kataginu are not permitted.
- No Earth-bound buckles or buckles that obviously belong to an Earth-bound period, culture or to other sci-fi/fantasy genres.
- No red, pink or black blades.
- No Cargo pants.
- No hakamas.
- No Corellian Blood Stripes (Han Solo Pants).
- No rubber boots
- No visible laces or zippers on boots
- Spike heels are not permitted.
- No bright or loud colors are allowed (examples would include: red, pink, neon green, etc.).
- Combinations of red and black are not allowed, as they are considered Sith colors.
- Bags are not pouches, and are not permitted to serve as a pouch/box option.
- No visible T-shirts are allowed.
Food capsules: Other metallic colors are not permitted.
- No Tabards with Ki adi Mundi tunic.


after we have said this clear we can go to details for the several parts without telling what is not allowed .. only tell what is allowed.

Example:
Quote:

Tabards:
Basic information:
Length: …..
Width:…..
Material:…..
Decoration: ....

Styles:
Classic Style: … Y formation
Scarf Style: …. Hanging around the neck
Apron Style: ….single front tabard from below the waist….
Surcoat Style: ... full back, front tabards, whide armholes ....


How do you think about this idea?
I think this could be a way to include all visual variations to one standard.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^ I like that idea.
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