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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 11:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Smile

i will try to work a little bit on this standard... its a large project so please be patient with me.

i will try to bring in all the things you told me at the posts bevore, or if it is not very clear for me i will ask questions.

please stay with mit at this standard, i realy need all your help Smile

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Smile

Experimented with Outer Tunic and Tabards.
Please give me your comments.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 1:04 pm    Post subject: Re: [Rewrite] Generic Jedi Reply with quote

Leroni wrote:
UNDER CONSTRUCTION

Open for changes and comments until:
2018


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Standard Name: Generic Jedi
Primary Detachment: KJO
Submission Date:
Existing Standard URL: http://newsite.rebellegion.com/jedi-costume-standards-generic/

Front Image:
Source:

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Source:

Character Description
A Jedi was a member of the Jedi Order, who studied, served and used the mystical energies of the Force; usually, the light side of the Force. The weapon of the Jedi was the lightsaber, a weapon with a blade made of pure energy. The Jedi fought for peace and justice in the Galactic Republic, usually against their mortal enemies, the Sith and Dark Jedi, who studied the dark side of the Force.

Colour Description:


Not Allowed:
    - No bare-armed Generic Jedi.
    - No Kimonos’s, karate/judo gi or gi-like construction allowed
    - No vests, or sleeveless V-neck type sweaters may be worn as a sleeveless OT.
    - No decorations / designs from Earth-bound period or culture (Renaissance, Celtic, Asian, tribal, etc.)
    - Kataginu are not permitted.
    - No Earth-bound buckles or buckles that obviously belong to an Earth-bound period, culture or to other sci-fi/fantasy genres.
    - No red, pink or black blades.
    - No Cargo pants.
    - No hakamas.
    - No Corellian Blood Stripes (Han Solo Pants).
    - No rubber boots
    - No visible laces or zippers on boots (zippers on inseam of leg are allowed)
    - Spike heels are not permitted.
    - No bright or loud colors are allowed (examples would include: red, pink, neon green, etc.).
    - Combinations of red and black are not allowed, as they are considered Sith colors.
    - Bags are not pouches, and are not permitted to serve as a pouch/box option.
    - No visible T-shirts are allowed.
    - Food capsules: Other metallic colors are not permitted.
    - No Tabards with Ki adi Mundi tunic.


Ki-Adi is not wearing a sleeveless tunic -- this is his "hooded OUTER ROBE".

((this point is moved to the "Robe" section below))

Ki-Adi wears a sleeveless outer robe -- he does not wear a sleeveless tunic -- Ki-Adi's Robe is allowed in the Robe section.


Required Items
Outer Tunic:
Required Details:
Basic information:
    Length:
      - minimum length cover the wearer’s buttocks and crotch area completely.
      - Mid-tight Mid-Thigh is prefered
      - Can reach to the ground

    Material:
      - Cloth

    Collar:
      - collar approximately 2 inches (5cm) wide.

    Construction:
      - Made with 2 overlapping side panels which close left-over-right.
      - Horizontal seams at the waist have to be covered by the obi.


Styles:
    Classic Style:
      - Sleeved Outer Tunic.
      - Sleeves reach to the knuckles when the arms are held down at the side.
      - Midtight Mid-Thigh length.

    Sleeveless Style:
      -Only to be worn wear with sleeved Inner Tunic.
      - have an attached hood (recommended), though a hood is not compulsory.

    again: Ki-Adi is not wearing a sleeveless outer tunic -- we is wearing a sleeveless outer robe with a hood -- this has ALWAYS caused confusion

    ((this point is moved to the "Robe" section below))

    Ki-Adi's Robe is allowed in the robe section.

    Short Sleeved Style:
      - worn with armwraps, tight-sleeved inner tunic or long sleeved inner tunic
      - 1/4, 1/2 or 3/4 length.

    Surcoat Style:
      - can have a hood.
      - worn without Tabards.
      again: Ki-Adi is not wearing a sleeveless outer tunic -- he is wearing a sleeveless outer robe with a hood -- this has ALWAYS caused confusion

      as far as I know , there are NO references for "Hooded Tunics" in the SW universe -- only "Hooded Robes" -- (like Ki-Adi's short-style hooded outer-robe).

      ((this point is moved to the "Robe" section below))

      Ki-Adi's Robe is allowed in the Robe section.



Tabards:
Required Details:
Basic information:
    Length:
      - In the front the Tabards must extend at least to or past the bottom hem of the outer tunic.
      - In the back, they can end under the obi or must extend at least to or past the bottom hem of the outer tunic.
      - The Tabards can reach to the ground.
      - If the Outer Tunic is reaching the ground the Tabards can be shorter than the tunic.

    Width:
      - Shoulder width.
      - From the seam of the collar of the Outer Tunic to the edge of the shoulder.
      - Similar width as the obi.

    Material:
      - Cloth
      - leather or leather-like
      (i would like to leave the leather because of many examples of leather or leather-like tabards (Luminara, Shaak Ti, ..)

    Decoration:
      - Borders
      - Symbols
      - Letters (Aurebesh)

    Design:
      The ends of the tabards can have different designs: square, rounded, triangular, octagonal, etc.


Styles:
    Classic Style:
      - The tabards are forming an Y,
      - do not overlap below the obi.

    Scarf Style:
      - The tabards are hanging around the neck.

    Apron Style:
      The tabards are forming an Y and come together to a single front tabard below the waist, centrally located, covering the croach area.

    Single Style:
      The tabards are forming an Y and come together to 1 piece below the obi.

    "single style" and "apron style" are the same.
    Surcoat Style:
      The back is made of one piece splits in the front to two tabards. The front will be hold by the obi or is sewed to the back with wide armholes.


Obi:
Required Details:
    - 3. Obi (Sash):

    The obi wraps around the waist, and should be approximately three times the width of the belt and/or of a similar width as the tabards.

    Made of cloth, the obi usually matches the OT (in cases where the tabard and OT are different); it can also match the tabard (if tabard is not leather).


    a. Obi closures (Velcro, snaps, etc.) should not be visible.

    b. Leather or pleather Obi are permitted.

    there are no examples of this in the LFL sources

    c. Obi may have borders.


Belt:
Required Details:
    - 4. Jedi Belt:

    Black or Brown Utility Belt (all belts should be proportional to wearer):

    * Style A: Similar to Prequel Jedi belts: Wide leather main (inner, against the Obi) belt with a thinner secondary belt (outer) on top of the main belt, and a movie-style or similar buckle on the secondary belt (as seen in any movie).

    this would include OT buckles and PT buckles -- example: "Nomad" Ben Kenobi -- he has a PT style belt with an OT style buckle


    a. Thinner secondary belt cannot be loose or “sag”.

    b. Button studs should be used to help anchor the secondary outer/thinner belt to the main inner/wider belt. Generally, 8, eight button studs (screw posts or Chicago Screws, preferred) are used. Sam Browne button studs are permitted. The metal of the studs should match the metal of the buckle.
    this last point is not always true: mace windu has gold studs with silver buckle; anakin episode I (end scene) has silver studs with 2-tone/gold-silver buckle


    c. wide belt is generally 2-3 inches wide; narrow belt is 1 inch or less.

    width is already specified for "style B" ; width should also be specified for "Style A"

    * Style B: Similar to Original Trilogy (Luke and Old Ben) belts: Singular wide leather belt with a rectangular, octagonal or oval unadorned buckle.

    a. Belts are generally two inches to two and a half inches wide, but the width should be in proportion to the wearer. Very tall or large costumers may need a wider belt. Very short people may need a narrower belt.

    b. Belt closures (Velcro, snaps, etc.) should not be visible.

    c. No Earth-bound buckles or buckles that obviously belong to an Earth-bound period, culture or to other sci-fi/fantasy genres.

    d. Belt and boots should match (be of a complimentary color), i.e., black and black or brown and brown. No black/brown combinations.

    I have always had a problem with this.

    A) there are NO jedi in the star wars universe who wear black boots + black belt -- the only example is Luke ROTJ and he was not a Jedi when he made this fashion choice -- Lucas dressed him in black to make him look like Vader, to show a possible path to becoming the "Next Vader", because Luke was "conflicted" in this movie.
    meanwhile, in the PT movies, there was a strict "No Black" rule for all jedi costumes (including Anakin).

    BUT even when we accept , that black IS a color for jedi in the RL... then...

    B) ..there is no definite link between boots and belt. ((examples: Obi-wanI,II&III: his boots do not match his belt; AnakinII&III: his boots do not match his belt; Luke ANH: his boots do not match his belt; Luke ESB: his boots do not match his belt; etc..)).

    there is no established link between boots and belt. we made this up.
    --> Our "black only with black, and brown only with brown" rule, is 'made up'.

    if we are going to allow "black belt" then this should not be linked to the boots;
    if we are going to allow "black boots" this should not be linked to the belt;
    (if we are going to allow "black tunics" this should not be linked to the pants;
    if we are going to allow black pants, this should not be linked to the robe);
    and etc; etc; etc.. you get the point..

    just as: there is no reference to support "tunic and pants must always be the same color" -- by the SAME token: there is no reference to support "boots and belt must always be same color" -- we made this up.


Lightsaber Clip:
Required Details:
    - 6. Lightsaber Clip:

    Covertec or similar style lightsaber clip OR a hook/clip for hanging lightsaber on belt.

    a. For the “hook/clip” type of lightsaber attachment, the lightsaber (itself) will likely have a D-ring (similar to the connection system for the Luke Skywalker armored Darth Vader and Old Ben lightsabers).


"armored Darth Vader" is not a jedi. Luke is a better example.

Pants & Skirts:
Required Details:
    - 7. Pants or skirt:

    a. Pants should largely be non-descript be plain solid colors without decoration. Traditional pants pockets are permitted, but must not be visible (e.g., hidden under the skirt of the OT).no visible pockets.
    bad grammar.

    b. No Cargo pants.

    c. No hakamas.

    d. Skirts (those separate from the OT) should be long enough so that no bare skin is visible, and may be floor length.

    e. No Corellian Blood Stripes (Han Solo Pants).


Boots:
Required Details:
    -8. Boots:

    Brown or Black Boots – Leather or leather-like (no rubber boots).

    a. Mid-calf, but not above the knee. (motorcycle boots, or “engineer” boots, ~ 14″ are allowed; Extensions like seen in the movie are allowed).

    b. No visible laces or outside zippers. When necessary, inside zippers zippers on the inseam of the leg are permitted.

    "inside zipper" is easily misunderstood. "zipper on the inseam of the leg" is more accurate.

    c. Straps & shin-spats are allowed but not required (though can be used to cover laces and zippers).

    d. Boots and belts should match (be of a complimentary color), i.e., black and black or brown and brown. No black/brown combinations.
    there is no reference to support this rule

    see above for explanation -- this rule has no true basis in the Lucasfilm references -- we made this up

    there are many MANY jedi, whose boots do NOT match their belt -- this should NOT be a requirement in the RL.


    e. Buckles are permitted, but should complement the boot and not detract from the overall look of the Jedi costume.

    f. Low-heeled 1 – 1 1/2 inches maximum. Spike heels are not permitted.

    g. Mini-Chaps (not above the knee) are allowed.


-:
Required Details:
    -9. No visible t-shirts.

moved to: inner tunic

colours:
Required Details:
    - 10. Permitted Colors for Outer Tunics, Inner Tunics, Tabards, Obi, Pants and Robes/Cloaks(capes): Earth tone colors, preferably shades of brown, gray, black and white. Other earth tones are allowed (greens, blues, yellows, violets and reds (where the reds are darker and in the burgundy family), but should be muted. No bright or loud (sharp) colors are allowed (examples would include: red, pink, neon green, etc.). Combinations of red and black are not allowed, as they are considered Sith colors. Colors of the Generic Jedi costume may be mixed and matched (except for the belt and boots). Legion Costume Judges are the final authority on color. If in doubt, contact a Legion Costume Judge for an opinion on proposed color combinations before construction.


Lightsaber:
Required Details:
    - 5. Lightsaber:

    A realistic lightsaber hilt is required. The lightsaber may be a static prop (hilt-only);
    Attached blade(s), LED lights & sound effects are allowed but not required.
    (No toy sabers, no Ultimate FX short saber).

    a. Metal hilt lightsabers are preferred, though custom lightsabers constructed of other materials are permitted.
    (example: 3D printed)

    b. Blade colors accepted are: blue, green, yellow, orange, white and violet. No red, pink or black blades.

    c. Double-blade sabers are allowed. (example:Darth Maul)

    d. Crossguard sabers are allowed (example:Kylo Ren)



Lightsaber:
Required Details:
    - Silver coloured lightsaber hilt.
    - The lightsaber may be a static prop (hilt-only).
    - Attached blade(s), LED lights, and sound effects, are allowed but not required.
    - If bladed must be purple.
    - No toy sabers, no Ultimate FX short saber.



Formal Requirements - 3 of 4

Inner tunic:
Required Details:
    - 1. Inner Tunic (IT): May be a full tunic or a false tunic (meaning a collar, neck portion and sleeves may be added to a shirt or t-shirt). Dickies or tunics/shirts with a Mandarin collar are allowed.

    a. If the OT is sleeveless or short sleeved (shorter than knuckle-length), then an IT must be worn and must have long sleeves.

    b. the neck line of the IT must be of a style seen on Jedi in the SW universe.
    (examples: Anakin, Kit Fisto, Plo Koon, etc)

    b. Blouses and standard store bought turtlenecks Alternate necklines may be used, but will not be considered ITs for the purposes of costume requirements.
    No visible T-shirts are allowed.


Pouches:
Required Details:
    - 2. Jedi Pouches: Two One (or more) utility pouches or resin cast utility boxes. (Leather or leather-like material, or resin cast boxes, as seen in the Star Wars universe. )

    a. The paint scheme on resin cast boxes should blend well with the overall costume.

    b. Bags are not pouches, and are not permitted to serve as a pouch/box option.


Food Capsules:
Required Details:
    - 3. Food pellets (at least one set of four) Food pellets should be painted a metallic color and may be gold, silver, bronze, copper or pewter. Other metallic colors are not permitted.


Robe:
Required Details:
    - 4.Jedi Robe or Cloak (Cape): Large Jedi robe or cloak (cape) with attached over-sized hood, similar to Prequel movie canon robes/cloaks, in the same color scheme as listed for the main costume (see #10. above).

    a. A hooded cape with side splits tabbards similar in construction to that worn by Anakin in Attack of the Clones, is permitted.

    A hooded cape with no tabards, similar to Luke in Return of the Jedi, is also permitted.


    A short style "Cerean" Jedi Robe, similar to Ki-Adi Mundi, is also permitted.
    (note: with short-style Cerean Robe, a matching Obi is worn on top of the robe, with a Jedi Belt on top of the obi).


    b. The hood should be large enough so that (1) when the hood is up, the sides of the hood drape to extend to or cover the shoulders and (2) when down, the tip of the hood should fall near the small of the back (or lower).

    c. The sleeves should be full and flare larger at the cuff on the hand end. When the hand end of the robe sleeve is closed, the length of the end of the sleeve should be at least half the length of the costumers arm (or longer). The circumference of the robe sleeve opening (at the cuff hand) should be at least as long as the sleeve (from shoulder to the hem).

    d. The overall body of the robe or cloak/cape should be full bell shaped (wider at the floor than the shoulder).

    e. The length of the robe or cloak/cape should be hemmed no shorter than two inches off the floor.

    Short-style "Cerean" Jedi Robes should be hemmed no shorter than the knees at the back.
    (example: Ki-Adi Mundi)


    f. A generic Jedi may not wear a robe/cloak that is unique to a face character. Example: Count Dooku’s cloak with neck chain.


changes made to incorporate "Ki-Adi Mundi style" Outer Robe with hood.

this Robe was allowed before, under 'OT' rules ; it is still allowed now, under 'Robe' rules.




Additional notes:
    - a. Accessories may include: eye-wear, face coverings and jewelry. Though not required, applicants are encouraged to provide precedence (of their accessory of choice) within the star wars universe.

    b. Arm wraps are permitted provided they are of a style similar to or seen in the Star Wars universe.

    c. Some measurements or measurement guides have been given in this latest GJCS update. Costumes must be proportional to the wearer; therefore, some costumers may have measurements that fall outside what has been stated.

    d. the costume standards are a guide for the judging process, and are not meant to be an all inclusive "how-to" guide for costume construction, nor an all inclusive outline of all required elements which make up a "Jedi" costume.

    e. the LCJ's have the final say on color and materials choices. If you have a question about fabrics, colors, and materials choices for your build, please contact the LCJs for your category before you start your build.


    NOTE: While this latest version of the Generic Jedi Costume Standards are attempting to clarify many questions and issues that have crept up since the last update, please be aware that the costume standards are a guide, and are not meant to be an all inclusive outline of required elements. Finally, some measurements or measurement guides have been given in this latest GJCS update. Costumes must be proportional to the wearer; therefore, some costumers may have measurements that fall outside what has been stated. The judges will be looking for quality of workmanship, accurate execution and use of materials in addition to these general standards check lists. If you have a question about fabrics, colors, and parts choices for your build please contact the LCJs for your category about parts/materials you are considering before you start your build. (LCJ listing here)


reworded / reformatted to say the same thing in c), d), e) above.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 10:47 pm    Post subject: Re: [Rewrite] Generic Jedi Reply with quote

Cobalt-60 wrote:
there are many MANY jedi, whose boots do NOT match their belt


Question: When you say boots and belt don't match, are you referring to varying shades of brown, between belt and boots, are you are specifically referring to there being Canon jedi with boot/belt combinations that mix black and brown?

I don't believe there has ever been a requirement for the brown tones to match, between belt and boots, but perhaps I'm wrong. My own belt and boots are somewhat similar, but by no means an exact match.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 12:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would like to touch on the Surcoat topic.

I would like to suggest the the Surcoat, or Sleeveless robe (as it has been referred to above) be listed as it's own Optional requirement. I Agree that is it different from a Outer tunic, but I also argue that it is not very robe like, with the exception of the hood.

I think it should certainly stay included as an option. It is a very unique style that we have seen a number of generics pull off well. Also it is a nice option for those that want to add their own personal flare, but still stay within the rules of the standards.

Since it is vastly different from both the Standard tunic, and a standard robe, Lumping it into either of the categories could become confusing... I know when I first joined it was something that I had to look into, because I wasn't completely versed in it..... that was quite some time ago.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 8:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good morning Smile

Cobalt you are too quick for me.

- Surcoat Style outer tunic:
i was asking myselfe why is it an outer "robe" and not an outer "tunic".
i am open to move it everywhere, but i would like to understand the difference.

What do i understand when using "surcoat style":

- A sleeveless tunic
- Can overlap in the front but must not.
- mid-thigh to ground length.
- mandarin collar or normal tunic collar.

i dont know why not wear it without tabards (took it from the old standard)
- i would not care if there is fixed a hood or not.
- i would understand not to wear a surcoat style tunic with surcoat style tabards .. it wouldnt make sense.

Single Style tabards vs Apron style tabards:

I see the difference in:
The single style has two parts above the waist (2 parts runing around the shoulders to the back) one part below the waist.

the apron style is only one part below the waist ala Ahsoka, Luminara, Shaak Ti,...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

maybe we should bring together all picture resources for each style to make sure that we have references... i will add these examples to the KJO page, so will all know what we are talking about Smile and have already the visual reference.


yours
leroni

PS: Thank you for your work and your suggestions.

PPS: How do you think about only to make this standard from movie caracters.
We already have some generic jedi standards from games.
We could also make a second one for all the animated costumes.
Because i think that at the moment we mix a lot of things from movie and animated.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leroni wrote:
Good morning Smile


- Surcoat Style outer tunic:
i was asking myselfe why is it an outer "robe" and not an outer "tunic".
i am open to move it everywhere, but i would like to understand the difference.


it is a 'robe" because Ki-Adi wears a traditional tunic AND tabards under his "robe" like all other jedi.

the presence of beige tabards (matching his beige tunic) reveals that he has a "normal" tunic+tabards already.

he is wearing an OT+Tabard set like most other jedi.

and -- just like most other jedi -- he wears a brown "outer layer with hood" OVER his tunic and tabards.

the "brown outer layer with hood" serves the same function as anakin's "brown outer layer with hood" -- this is ki-adi's "robe"

note: the matching tunic + tabards , worn UNDER his "brown hooded outer layer" in these pics.

--> this Jedi is wearing a beige OT + Tabard.

http://www.big1s.jp/movie-collection/star-wars/ki-adi-mundi-12/002.jpg

http://members.home.nl/fhalfwerk/De_Mapje/ki-adi-mundi.jpg

^^ as you can see , he already HAS a normal OT + Tabard --> therefore --> the "brown hooded outer layer" is not the OT. Razz

(how can he have 2 OT's?) Razz

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also: for what it's worth , Museum Replicas made licensed Star Wars items under direct license from LucasFilmLtd.

one of their products was called "Cerean Jedi ROBE" and it looked exactly like this:



^^ this item is discontinued but you can sometimes find it on Ebay .

--> according to LucasFilm : this item is a "ROBE" Smile LOL

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

when it comes to black-with-black and brown-with-brown:

we have to go back to basics and decide "Why" this rule exists in the first place.

the rules in the RL must be based on screen references.... but that's not where this particular rule came from.




many years ago, we had 2 categories for generic jedi: New Republic Jedi and Old Republic Jedi.

Old Republic Jedi was based on the 'generic jedi' in the PT movie (Battle of Geonosis);
"New Republic Jedi" was based on the OT movies (Luke ROTJ);
the 2 standards were judged separately.

a few years ago, the 2 standards were merged into one document. you can still see the "Seams".

example: belt -- Style A was copy/pasted from Old Republic Jedi; Style B was copy/pasted from New Republic Jedi.

result: even though, they are NOW in one document -- the 2 styles are STILL judged separately

read: an attempt was made to keep things 'separate', EVEN within the SAME standards-document.




this same thing happened with the boots.

originally: "black boots and belt" were not allowed for Old Republic Jedi;
"black boots and belt" were only allowed for New Republic Jedi.

so : when the standards were merged, an attempt was made to keep things separate.

and that is WHY we have "black with black" and "brown with brown". Razz

it has nothing to do with "LucasFilm references".





in fact : when asked , (at the time these changes were being made), the LMO at the time said : 'rules are being written to reflect the way we judge the costumes'

let that sink in.

shouldn't we "judge costume according to the written rules..?"
(instead of "write rules according to the way we judge costumes..?")

^^ something was wrong with this picture. Razz LOL

and now we have some rules which are NOT supported by Lucasfilm.

(( I believe our new LMO ladysolo14 has a MUCH better way of doing things -- rewriting these standards with an eye toward 'references' and photos))


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I would like to go "Back to basics".

the RL needs rules which are supported by screen references.

so : rather than ask : "where are the references to eliminate this rule...?"

we should be asking : "where are the references to support this rule in the first place...?"





there is NO ESTABLISHED LINK between boots and belt. Razz

(obi-wan's boots and belt are different colors; luke ESB are drastically different; luke ANH are made of cloth; anakin's are different colors; etc).

indeed, if the screen references tell us anything .. they tell us : jedi do not wear black. LOL Razz

(Luke was a conflicted padawan when he made this fashion choice. Luke was not a Jedi).

--> this problem can be solved by a new rule -- "no black on all jedi costumes" (just like Trisha Biggar's "no black" rule, while working as costume designer for Lucasfilm) --

unfortunately, "Black" is allowed as a jedi color. why?

because it was copy/pasted from the ancient "New Republic Jedi" standards. Razz LOL



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just saying: IF we allow "black" as a boot color .... then why is this "tied to the belt"?

there is no established link between boots and belt in the SW universe -- "correlation does not prove causation" Razz LOL

cheers!
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What do i understand when using "surcoat style":

- A sleeveless tunic
- Can overlap in the front but must not.
- mid-thigh to ground length.
- mandarin collar or normal tunic collar.

i dont know why not wear it without tabards (took it from the old standard)
- i would not care if there is fixed a hood or not.
- i would understand not to wear a surcoat style tunic with surcoat style tabards .. it wouldnt make sense.


in our standards,
- surcoat style outer tunic refers to Ki-Adi Mundi's outer layer.
- surcoat style tabard refers to Mace Windu's tabards in the Clone Wars Cartoon.

these 2 things can NOT be worn together.

they are 'surcoat' in name only. they are not connected to each other, in any way.


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Ki-Adi's "brown hooded outer layer" is the same as any other 'brown hooded outer layer' (aka: Robe).

it is worn OVER the "OT + Tabards" set.

and since "surcoat syle OT" in our standrds only refers to THIS garment..

..then "surcoat style OT" should be moved to 'surcoat style robe' or 'Cerean Jedi Robe'.

this would make it easier to be accepted.

ie : this way, the "Cerean Style Robe" accessory, can be added to ANY approved Jedi costume.

rather than creating this garment as an OT (requiring a new submission for a new costume in your profile)... the members can create this garment as a Robe Accessory and it can be added to ANY approved Jedi Costume.

this style of Robe would become more popular.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PPS: How do you think about only to make this standard from movie caracters.
We already have some generic jedi standards from games.
We could also make a second one for all the animated costumes.
Because i think that at the moment we mix a lot of things from movie and animated.


in order to make this standard for "Generic Jedi - PT Movies" :

we would need to follow Trisha Biggar's Rules for creating "generic jedi" in the PT movies.

ie: no black. no white. no purple. no blue. etc.

allowed colors would be "browns and greens and beige" only.

some of our various tunic styles would not be allowed;

the various tabard styles (from the clone wars cartoon) would not be allowed;

"style B" belts would not be allowed;

etc. etc.



^^ all of these variants would need to be covered in the other various 'generic jedi' standards -- for games and comics and cartoons -- with many different standards written (one standard for each media).
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have not read through everything, because headache, but I can simplify this sentence for you:

No Kimonos’s, karate/judo gi or gi-like construction allowed

to

No martial arts wear allowed


We discussed this years ago, and it's a much simpler way of saying that you can't use martial arts clothes for your jedi in RL. Smile (This could also cover hakamas).
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd like every instance of "no" to be removed

You can't have sparkles but that doesn't mean we need to write it.

Detail what can be there not can not
The can nots are endless
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'd like every instance of "no" to be removed

You can't have sparkles but that doesn't mean we need to write it.

Detail what can be there not can not
The can nots are endless


I agree. thats why i sorted them out of the text.

I left them all together at one place, because i thought it would be easier for the judges.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 3:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kylo Ren wrote:
I'd like every instance of "no" to be removed

You can't have sparkles but that doesn't mean we need to write it.

Detail what can be there not can not
The can nots are endless


When there are specific problem items that recur over and over again, however, it makes sense to call them out. Saves everyone time.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 3:40 am    Post subject: Re: [Rewrite] Generic Jedi Reply with quote

ZlaAul wrote:
Leroni wrote:


Every idea is welcome.
I most like this part of the text, thats why you will find it at every standard (made me a form to fill out. when the text of the standards will be rearranged there is also a change of hilt and light colour)
Quote:

- The lightsaber may be a static prop (hilt-only).
- Attached blade(s), LED lights, and sound effects, are allowed but not required.
- No toy sabers, no Ultimate FX short saber.


So what colours do we have of the hilt ... will we add the hilt colour or delete this sentence?

yours
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Will it be good to have a allowable set of colour combination, such as black, gold, metallic silver, as well as metallic red/yellow for knobs and button?

Removing that specific colour line could introduce questions for judges when a certain Sith looking hilt is used.


not sure if anyone else share my point, but i see it will be good to have it updated into the re-write
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