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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 4:03 pm    Post subject: CS proposal: Senior Officers, Rouge One Reply with quote

I would like to propose a costume standard for generic Senior Officers, Rouge One. The senior officers can be seen when Jyn Erso gives her speech in front of the Alliance leaders and also while the rebels leave Yavin to support the attack on Scarif.


1. Jacket:
-khaki/tan BDU-Style-jacket with saffron or mustard –colored shoulders (yoke), four pockets in front and a mandarin collar


2. Pants:
- Khaki, coyote or chocolate brown colored utility trousers.
- Pant ankles should be worn tucked into the Anklet-style cuff.
- Cargo-style pockets along the outside of each leg, with top flap, and no visible closure buttons or snaps.

Optional: Pants may have accurate padding sewn into knees


3. Shirt:
-Long-sleeved, tan, beige or middle brown shirt with a collar ending in two points.
-The front has a rectangular bib with seams on the bottom and both sides which (recommended) continue down to bottom of hem.
-Double rows of stitching (flat-felled or similar) in each seam is recommended.
-Optional back yoke.
-Worn tucked into the pants.


4. Belt:
-Brown belt with octagonal silver buckle consistent with the RFT belts.


5. Boots:
-Chelsea-style boot in brown or black leather (can be suede).
-No visible laces.
-Anklet-style cuffs that match boot color.


6. Rank Badge:
Screen accurate rebel rank badge is worn on the right side of the jacket, just above the breast pocket. The badge should reflect the rank of Alliance High Command (red pips) Commander, Colonel, General or Navy (blue pips) Captain.












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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Curious what the differences are compared to the OT version?

Would a standard 4-pocket BDU shirt, modified as to the collar and with appropriate-colored yoke overlays, meet the requirements for this?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kman wrote:
Curious what the differences are compared to the OT version?

Would a standard 4-pocket BDU shirt, modified as to the collar and with appropriate-colored yoke overlays, meet the requirements for this?


This costume is very different from the ANH version, which was also used in Rogue One for Captain Antilles, General Dodonna, and General Grafis. This version has a similar jacket but the shoulders (yoke) are more yellowish than in ANH. So a BDU jacket could be used. That is what I am doing right now.

In Rogue One all the high ranking officers, except the ones mentioned above have BDU style cargo pants and the low boots with anklet-cuffs. They also have RFT belts with octagonal belt buckles, only the ones that also where the white coats have oval belt buckles.

In ANH Captain Antilles and all members of the high command wore brown riding boots, khaki/tan riding trousers with a black strip on the side seam, dark brown shirts with bibs and a BDU style jacket with a light to middle brown yoke. In Rogue One only four people mentioned above wear that uniform and the yoke of the jacket is more yellowish and the shirt are of a lighter color than in ANH.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Captain Antilles Rogue One:


General Dodonna (on the right) and General Grafis (on the left). The officer in the middle is unknown.


Navy Captains Rogue One





Unknown Alliance High command commander

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

References from ANH

http://www.forum.rebellegion.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=62682
http://www.forum.rebellegion.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=62683
http://www.command.rebellegion.com/anh-costumes/captain-antilles/
http://www.command.rebellegion.com/anh-costumes/generals-and-dodonna-anh/
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I went through some video clips that show the making of Rogue One. The cargo pants are the most common feature for the senior officers of the Alliance high command and Navy Captains. As far as I can tell there are only a few exceptions such as Captain Antilles, General Jan Dodonna, General Baccam Grafis and that unknown guy in the middle. In the movie, you only see Captain Antilles lower body so we would not know that if not for that one photo in the visual guide. Perhaps the other high ranking officers that have the oval belt buckle also wear brown riding boots and the riding trousers with the black stripe down the side seam. We just do not know.

The Alliance High Command officers and Navy Captains that wear an octagonal RFT belt buckle wear khaki, coyote or dark brown cargo pants. It also does not matter if they wear the white coat on top of their Antilles-style jacket or not.

As far as I can tell, the only members of The Alliance High Command that wear a different style jacket are Colonel Haxen Delto and General Davits Draven, which I will call the Draven-Style jacket from now on.

Captain Antilles is also the only navy Captain in Rogue One that wears the brown riding boots and riding trousers with the black stripe down the side seam. The other two wear cargo pants.

https://www.starwars.com/video/rogue-reports-supporting-cast
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUb_zpdyDpU&list=PL148kCvXk8pDWYE9q9cNdux5JFmu80kN8&index=17
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7AuVg8OL3A&index=28&list=PL148kCvXk8pDWYE9q9cNdux5JFmu80kN8



Alliance High Command members with riding boots





Alliance High Command members with cargo pants and low boots with anklet-cuffs













Colonel Bandwin






General Draven and Colonel Delto









Navy captains Rogue One












Alliance High Command officer with the rank of commander, some kind of engineer?

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 12:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

First of all, Yay for standard development! So much squee!

A couple of notes:

- You have two different styles of coats being used as references there. The style that Draven wears could be included in this standard, but it would need to be listed as a separate option with it's own description.

-I am not seeing Chelsea style boots with a cuff on the officers with the regular yoke- they are shorter boots, but I think the wording there may need to be tweaked.

- The new standard format is going to mean that some of the wording (such as the bits that call out pieces from other standards) will need to be reworded.

I need to go back through my references and then I'll pop back on and give some better feedback. I'll try and get to that on Sunday.

Until then, this is some of the initial research I did earlier this year that may help.

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1eV8I0TAlyHYYQlyGFKeY92vyU82Rp0vzwGAY5OhY0AE/edit?usp=sharing

Some additional screen caps to poke through if interested:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1s9soOY0l7gq_IaOo9LtQoCcQXBf7PCMN

Thanks for getting this one started!
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just posted about this in the other thread...always late to the party (I blame children's summer holidays).

Can we not include the RO officer BDU jacket as an option in the existing RO standards as we have done for the TFA officers?

Possibly the same for Draven and Delto? If the combats and under shirt is the same, then we could just specify which boots go with which combo? Much like the MARA jade black jumpsuit standards.

Then a separate standard for the white coated RO generals?

If people realize that they can use the same under shirt and trousers but create more jackets it might boost the amount of rebel costumes that are created.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm for most of what was posted initially but I agree with RebelLady in that Draven's coat is different then the proposed standards, compared to Colonel Bandwin. Draven's coat has red piping on the flaps of the pockets, versus for Colonel and the other linked that do not. Is this another minor distinction between Navy vs Army?

I don't see Chelsea boots on the other linked full uniforms on the other full body costumes, other then on Draven. The officers with the white lab coats look like they are wearing jack style boot?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2018 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Delto and Draven jacket looks a little bit like the one from the 'General Carlist Riekeen / Echo Base Commanders' standards...but with a bit of an update.

http://newsite.rebellegion.com/general-riekeen-echo-base-commanders/

Also looks like the fabric patch on the arm from the hoth officers

http://newsite.rebellegion.com/hoth-officer/

Scrap what I said about options on the existing standards (I don't think i realised how much there is)..... I think we should go for making this new one multiple choice.

Found a clearer trouser ref of the knee padding...some of the RO troopers have almost the same trousers.




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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 8:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The initial proposal in my first post was only for the uniform that Colonel Bandwin Cor, General Pitt Onoran, Colonel Anj Zavor, the two Navy Captains and the Commander under the X-Wing wear.

Unfortunately, I muddied the water when I tried to answer Kman’s question. After reading tenebris’ post in my WIP thread I think we could make one CS including the BDU style jacket which I call the Captain Antilles jacket. The Draven style jacket is also worn by Colonel Haxen and one other general. They have red piping on their pocket flaps probably due to their red rank badges. Draven’s jacket has some similarities with the jacket that General Riekeen wears in ESB but it is not the same. I would add this jacket type to the CS but I have no clue how to describe it. I really need some help with that.

We could also add a third jacket/coat option by adding the Antilles style jacket with the white coat on top like the white head guy with the Hulk Hugan mustache is wearing.

Captain Kado Oquońe from Hammerhead Corvette Lightmaker, which is the one that rams the Star Destroyer, also wears a Draven style jacket but his pocket flaps have green piping similar to his green rank badge. He seems to be an Army Captain like Captain Cassian Andor and not a Navy Captain like Captain Antilles. Captain Kado Oquońe wears a British PLCE belt on top of his jacket instead of an octagonal RFT belt. I would like to exclude him from this CS because he is neither an officer of the Alliance High Command (red rank badge) nor a Navy Captain (blue rank badge). He also wears an RFT helmet so perhaps he should get his own CS.

I am pretty sure that they wear the boots with the anklet-cuffs. If you look close enough you can see the flares on the right boot of the commander standing under the X-Wing. The old guy does have the anklet-cuffs but does not have the boot flares on the right cuff. Those boots are not really Chelsea boots. They are some other type of short boots that were probably made for the movie. They are some type of leather boot with a zipper on the inside and cuffs around the ankle. Most of them also have the boots flares on the right cuff. Chelsea boots are used for the Rogue One Costume Standard because they are easy to obtain. I am pretty sure that every Rogue Officer that wears short boots wears the same type of boots. There are only two exceptions to the rule; those are Captain Cassian Andor and Jyn Erso.

Due to the fact that all these officers wear the same type of shirt, the same type of cargo pants, the same type of octagonal RFT belt, the only difference are the jackets/coats that they wear, we could put all of them in one CS.

Rogue One rebel boots shown in a behind the scenes youtube clip


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaKVhdW15HY

General Draven's boots




Baze Malbus' boots




Poa's boots


Private Arro Basteren's boots


Private Tenzigo Weems' boots


Boots of the old guy with white coat and Hulk Hogan mustache; no boot flares

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RebelLady wrote:
First of all, Yay for standard development! So much squee!

A couple of notes:

- You have two different styles of coats being used as references there. The style that Draven wears could be included in this standard, but it would need to be listed as a separate option with it's own description.

-I am not seeing Chelsea style boots with a cuff on the officers with the regular yoke- they are shorter boots, but I think the wording there may need to be tweaked.

- The new standard format is going to mean that some of the wording (such as the bits that call out pieces from other standards) will need to be reworded.

I need to go back through my references and then I'll pop back on and give some better feedback. I'll try and get to that on Sunday.

Until then, this is some of the initial research I did earlier this year that may help.

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1eV8I0TAlyHYYQlyGFKeY92vyU82Rp0vzwGAY5OhY0AE/edit?usp=sharing

Some additional screen caps to poke through if interested:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1s9soOY0l7gq_IaOo9LtQoCcQXBf7PCMN

Thanks for getting this one started!


Here is the newest version of the proposal. The things that I added are blue. It would be nice if you could help me with the correct wording. I also do not know how to describe the Draven style jacket.

Senior Officers, Rouge One

1. Jacket/coat:

Version A
-khaki/tan BDU-Style-jacket with saffron or mustard –colored shoulders (yoke), four pockets in front and a mandarin collar
Permitted ranks: Commander, Colonel and General with red pips or Navy Captain with blue pips

Version B
-Draven style jacket
(still needs a good description)
Permitted ranks: Colonel and General with red pips

Version C
- khaki/tan BDU-Style-jacket with saffron or mustard –colored shoulders (yoke), four pockets in front and a mandarin collar with a long white coat worn on top of it
Permitted rank: General with red pips


2. Pants:
- Khaki, coyote or chocolate brown colored utility trousers.
- Pant ankles should be worn tucked into the Anklet-style cuff.
- Cargo-style pockets along the outside of each leg, with top flap, and no visible closure buttons or snaps.

Optional: Pants may have accurate padding sewn into knees


3. Shirt:
-Long-sleeved, tan, beige or middle brown shirt with a collar ending in two points.
-The front has a rectangular bib with seams on the bottom and both sides which (recommended) continue down to bottom of hem.
-Double rows of stitching (flat-felled or similar) in each seam is recommended.
-Optional back yoke.
-Worn tucked into the pants.


4. Belt:
-Brown belt with octagonal silver buckle consistent with the RFT belts.


5. Boots:
-Chelsea-style boot in brown or black leather (can be suede).
-No visible laces.
-Anklet-style cuffs that match boot color.
-Optional: boots flares on the right anklett-cuff


6. Rank Badge:
Screen accurate Rogue One rebel rank badge is worn on the right side of the jacket, just above the breast pocket. The badge should reflect the rank of Alliance High Command (red pips) Commander, Colonel, General or Navy (blue pips) Captain.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 8:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Examples of Versions A





Example of Versions B


Example of Versions C

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm at the hospital all day today and tomorrow, but I'll break down the pattern for the Draven jacket and think about how to word it over the weekend......then maybe Kristina and everyone else can chime in and make it sound less rambley lol.

I love those visuals Pam, really helps to get everyone on the same page with all of these options!

I've not checked refs enough to know if the padded knee combats are only worn with certain jackets or mix and match completely.....do we know?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tenebris wrote:
I'm at the hospital all day today and tomorrow, but I'll break down the pattern for the Draven jacket and think about how to word it over the weekend......then maybe Kristina and everyone else can chime in and make it sound less rambley lol.

I love those visuals Pam, really helps to get everyone on the same page with all of these options!

I've not checked refs enough to know if the padded knee combats are only worn with certain jackets or mix and match completely.....do we know?


It is very nice of you to break down the Draven pattern. I am kind of lost on that own. I do not know the right terms.

Who is Pam? Smile I'm Patricia. I like working with visual aids. It helps to communicate my ideas. My English is not as good as it used to be after mostly communicating in German for the last 32 years.

In the movie, General Draven is the only senior officer where you can see the knee-padding. In the visual guide, you can see the top of Colonel Cor's knee padding. They both seem to have the same pants as Private Weems. All the others are either too far away from the camera to tell what type of padding they have or only their upper body is shown. The others probably have the same mix and match pants as the Scarif Marines, Yavin Operations Troopers, and Yavin Operations Officers.
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