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Proposal: Millenniu Falcon Commando Team/ Engineering Crew

 
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2020 3:51 am    Post subject: Proposal: Millenniu Falcon Commando Team/ Engineering Crew Reply with quote

Based on the approved MF Gunner costume update discussion started in 2013, its honestly time to start a discussion to alter the Standard.
https://bit.ly/3m5hqdk

I propose an update to the current Endor Gunner standard, to bring it in line with the current knowledge base of behind the scenes and blue ray quality video which we did not have when the Standards were written years ago.
To review, here is the standard as written, which is actually the proposal that we drafted, and is not right, which was discussed in the original topic.

http://bitly.ws/aEwn

There are some factual errors, and some items which need clarification and update. This has never been a super popular costume, and never will be, however what we have in the standards just doesn't fit what we can see in the readily available behind the scenes videos on Youtube.

Additionally, if the LMO will approve it, I would suggest a name change to Millenium Falcon Commando Team or Engineering Crew , because only Colonel Craken and Lt. Blount were the only people to man the Falcons guns.
These Officers should be split out into their own Standard within the GSC Detachment.
=============================================================== FOR SIMPLICITY I AM POSTING V.2.2.1 here. V1.0 follows. Please read to end of the topic for discussion.

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V.2.2.1

Millenium Falcon Commando Crew/ Engineering Support Crew


CHARACTER DESCRIPTION (Proposed)

Millennium Falcon Commando Crew/ Engineering Support Crew

During the Alliance raid on Endor, the Millennium Falcon provided vital support to the Alliance by spearheading the space-borne assault on the forest moon. Lead by competent, highly experienced Alliance officers, support troopers provided vital functions during the climactic battle. The support crew wore helmets and combat smocks similar to those worn by the troopers on Endor. Made up of highly trained specialists, maintenance engineers and other support crew, the Falcons’ temporary support crew made sure that the freighter was able to stay in the fight, to finally bring about the end of the Empire.

REQUIRED ITEMS

Jumpsuit:

- tan or light brown long sleeved jumpsuit.
- Mandarin collar approximately 1.25” (30mm) with pointed strap that covers the throat from left to right. Strap is closed with Velcro.
- Cuffs secured with pointed strap, secured with Velcro.
- No visible buttons or zippers on jumpsuit. Front zipper is hidden by a strip of the same material as the flight suit.
- Horizontal felled seam across top of chest and two seams going down from it to the belt line.
- There are two pockets with rounded diagonal opening on torso above the belt on both sides.
- There is a rectangular pocket with a horizontal rectangular flap closure on upper-middle of wearer's right arm.
- There is a rectangular code cylinder pocket on the wearer's upper left sleeve with slots for four code cylinders. A diagonal corner faces to the wearer’s front.
-There is a rectangular pocket on the wearers left forearm, facing outward, with an open window. Nothing is placed in this pocket.
-There are two upper thigh pockets with curved openings, one on the front of each leg.
-There are four square pockets on the legs below the upper thigh pocket, all have rectangular flaps.
-The lower set of the leg pockets may be on the shin or at the knee, but the flap should be seen above the top of the gaiter.
-The jumpsuit may be lightly stained.




Helmet:

-Consisting of a light brown or tan AN-H-15 cloth helmet (or replica) with a ribbed strip on the top, a replica rigid outer ring, and fabric cloth bill closely matching the rest of the helmet fabric.
-The bill portion of the helmet is attached directly to the outer ring, and is not sewn to the cloth helmet.
-The cloth bill should not protrude more than about 2" (50mm) from the front of the helmet.
-There are several concentric sewn rings on the bill.

-The cloth helmet features black earcups/ headphone mounts. These may be plastic or vinyl. The hole for the ear should have tight mesh screen added to prevent easily seeing through the ear holes.
-The outer ring has a cutout at the top to allow the top of the fabric helmet to push out.
-The rigid outer ring is the Endor style helmet, not the Scarif style helmet.
-The outer ring has a inset backside on the upper half of the ring, with segmented or black painted partitions. This inset covers the area approximately one-quarter of the circumference of the helmet. The inset follows below the horizontal ridge of the helmet, onto the bottom half of the ring.
-The outer ring is dark green, dark olive green, or weathered mottled green.
-The outer ring is properly fitted to the wearer’s head and cloth helmet assembly, so the ring sits down on the head. The bottom of the ring should cover the top third of the ear holes when worn.
-The outer ring should be moderately weathered/ stained and chipped. Silver and black weathering are permitted.
-The helmet is worn level on the head and should not be rocked back onto the head.



Vest:

-Accurately shaped tan or light brown capped sleeve combat vest.
-The vest has a felled seam across the front on both sides from approximately the arms’ midpoint.
-The vest has a felled seam across the back going from the arm’s midpoint to the opposite side.
-Vest has two large slash pockets on both sides of the front. The top edge of the slash pocket is at approximately mid-way up the front of the vest, and the lower edge stops at about one-quarter of the way down the side of the vest.
-The right side of the vest has a padded applique with vertical stitched lines forming padded rows.
-The sleeve caps are made of the same material as the vest.
-The vest has band around the bottom of the vest approximately 2"-2.5"(50-75mm) wide made of the same material. The fabric of the vest should be puckered into the band forming darts at the back and sides.
-A grey rank badge is attached to the right sleeve cap.
-The rank badge attached to the right sleeve cap is a grey rectangle approximately 1.75" by 2" (40mmx50mm) and has multiple raised features.
-The rank badge features two shapes resembling engine cooling fins, on either side of a boxlike structure with raised bar details. There are two raised domes with wire details adjacent to the cooling fins, with a raised feature situated between the domes. The wires from the domes appear to mount to this raised feature. On the end of the badge opposite the cooling fin details, there is a raised rectangular box approximately 1" (25mm) long, and 3/8" (10mm) tall. Details may be dark grey, metallic, black and lightly weathered.
-A different grey rank badge is attached to the vest left chest. The rank badge consists of a square base approximately 1.75" (40mm) square with a central square opening, four cylinders at the top of the square, one cylinder at the bottom of the square.
Several raised bars are at the mid line of the greeblie. The greeblie may have dark silver details, and may be lightly weathered.
-The vest is moderately weathered and stained.










Belt:

-Military style riggers style belt with black buckle. Belt is made of approximately 2” (50mm) olive green or olive drab webbing.


[img[https://i.imgur.com/3fBXUvN.png[/img]


Pouches:

-Minimum two olive drab pouches, such as M14/M16 cotton duck pouches.
-M14 pouches may feature plastic or cloth tabbed closure. Other cotton duck pouches may be acceptable if they resemble those seen on screen.
-At least one medium brown or dark brown leather ammunition pouch. -Yugoslavian ammunition pouches dyed medium to dark brown are acceptable.
A medium or dark brown leather or leather like Sam Brown belt style pouch is permitted.
-Greeblie attached to at least one cotton M14/M16 pouch. The greeblie is rectangular, and features raised circle, square and dome details. Color may be metallic grey to dark silver.
-Pouches should resemble those seen on screen.






Gloves:

-Short leather or leather like work gloves (tan, brown, or deerskin).
-Ball strap type gloves are allowed.
-No logos are permitted on gloves.


Gaiters:

-Tan gaiters with a seam down the front, with a strap made of the same fabric near the top.
-Gaiters rise from boot to approximately halfway up the shin.
-One half of a black parachute clip mounted near the top to the inner part of gaiters.
-Gaiters close in black with Velcro.
-Gaiters are weathered.




Shoes:

-Plain round toe black leather or leather like shoes, or boots. Sole and heel should be conservative.
-Upper part of boot is covered by the gaiter.

Optional items:
*Hoth style 9 square unit patch on right shoulder.
* Large medium to dark brown leather pouch with closure strap worn on right hip. A Sam Brown Officers Belt pouch is preferred.
* A-280 rifle
*Officer / Leadership style helmet decal on right outer ring temple.[/img][url][/url]




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PROPOSAL: V1.0 (in the new format)

Helmet:
Consisting of an AN-H-15 cloth helmet (or replica) with a ribbed strip on the top, a replica rigid outer ring, and cloth bill.

Jumpsuit:
Tan jumpsuit with 4 leg pockets in front and a tabbed mandarin closure collar and tabbed closure on sleeves.

Vest:
Accurate tan or light brown capped sleeve vest with slash pockets and padded applique on right upper chest. Light weathering is encouraged.

Web Belt:
Military Style Olive Drab webbing belt, with roll pin buckle.

*At least two olive drab pouches, similar to M14/M16 cotton duck pouches. May feature plastic or cloth tabbed closure. Other cotton duck pouches may be acceptable if they resemble those seen on screen.

*At least one brown or dark brown leather ammunition pouch. Mauser ammunition pouches dyed brown are acceptable. Pouches should resemble those seen on screen.

Gloves:
Short work gloves (tan, brown, or deerskin) .

Gaiters:
Tan gaiters with a seam down the front, tan strap near the top, and one half of a black parachute clip mounted to the inner part of gaiters. Gaiters close in black with velcro.

Shoes:
Plain round toe black leather shoes, or boots. Sole and heel should be conservative.

Formal Requirements: Choose three items minimum.

* Hoth rank badge on right shoulder
* Accurate headset.
* Accurate greeblie on cotton duck M14/M16 pouches.
* Accurate rank badge on left vest chest.
*Accurate rank badge on right vest sleeve cap.
* A-280 rifle

Photo references follow. This will focus primarly on the troopers, and not the Officers, because of how the officers are somewhat different. Note the Hoth rank badge on the kneeling troopers, both Human and Sullustan.
On the trooper on his knees, the seam at the front with the parachute buckle has rotated, as gaiters do. The seam is visible appearing to be on the right side of the leg instead of the shin where it belongs.









LARGE BROWN LEATHER POUCH ON SALLUSTANS HIP

I enhanced this pic some in my Paint editor and you can see the greeblie on the M14/M16 pouich. Which it is, we should discuss.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2021 5:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have done a complete rewrite into the correct new format, and got a lot of new screen grabs.
Ill post this up for now, but its almost midnight, and I have to go to work tomrrow. I will work on the photos tomorrow and get them inserted where they need to go.

Colonel Cracken is wearing a different uniform than the others. That is clear, so we need a different standard written for him.

Proposal
V.2.1

Millenium Falcon Commando Crew/ Engineering Support Crew


CHARACTER DESCRIPTION (Proposed)

Millenium Falcon Commando Crew/ Engineering Support Crew

During the Alliance raid on Endor, the Millennium Falcon provided vital support to the Alliance by spearheading the space-borne assault on the forest moon. Lead by competent, highly experienced Alliance officers, support troopers provided vital functions during the climactic battle. The support crew wore helmets and combat smocks similar to those worn by the troopers on Endor. Made up of highly trained specialists, maintenance engineers and other support crew, the Falcons’ temporary support crew made sure that the freighter was able to stay in the fight, to finally bring about the end of the Empire.

REQUIRED ITEMS

Jumpsuit:

- tan or light brown long sleeved jumpsuit.
- Mandarin collar approximately 1.25” (30mm) with pointed strap that covers the throat from left to right. Strap is closed with Velcro.
- Cuffs secured with pointed strap, secured with Velcro.
- No visible buttons or zippers on jumpsuit. Front zipper is hidden by a strip of the same material as the flight suit.
- Horizontal felled seam across top of chest and two seams going down from it to the belt line.
- There are two pockets with rounded diagonal opening on torso above the belt on both sides.
- There is a rectangular pocket with a horizontal rectangular flap closure on upper-middle of wearer's right arm.
- There is a rectangular code cylinder pocket on the wearer's upper left sleeve with slots for four code cylinders. A diagonal corner faces to the wearer’s front.
-There is a rectangular pocket on the wearers left forearm, facing outward, with an open window. Nothing is placed in this pocket.
-There are two upper thigh pockets with curved openings, one on the front of each leg.
-There are four square pockets on the legs below the upper thigh pocket, all have rectangular flaps.
-The lower set of the leg pockets may be on the shin or at the knee, but the flap should be seen above the top of the gaiter.
-The jumpsuit may be lightly stained.
Helmet

-Consisting of a light brown or tan AN-H-15 cloth helmet (or replica) with a ribbed strip on the top, a replica rigid outer ring, and fabric cloth bill closely matching the rest of the helmet fabric.
-The outer ring has a cutout at the top to allow the top of the fabric helmet to push out.
-The cloth helmet features black earcups/ headphone mounts. These may be plastic or vinyl. The hole for the ear should have tight mesh screen added to prevent easily seeing through the ear holes.
-The bill portion of the helmet is attached directly to the outer ring, and is not sewn to the cloth helmet.
-The rigid outer ring is the Endor style helmet, not the Scarif style helmet.
-The outer ring has a inset backside on the upper half of the ring, with segmented partitions. This inset covers the area approximately one-quarter of the circumference of the helmet. The inset follows below the horizontal ridge of the helmet, onto the bottom half of the ring.
-The outer ring is dark green, dark olive green, or weathered mottled green.
-The outer ring is properly fitted to the wearer’s head and cloth helmet assembly, so the ring sits down on the head. The bottom of the ring should cover the top third of the ear holes when worn.
-The outer ring may feature yellow and dark red officers rank on the right temple area, but this is not mandatory.
-The outer ring should be moderately weathered/ stained and chipped. Silver and black weathering are permitted.
-The helmet is worn level on the head and should not be rocked back onto the head.

Vest:

-Accurately shaped tan or light brown capped sleeve combat vest.
-The vest has a felled seam across the front on both sides from approximately the arms’ midpoint.
-The vest has a felled seam across the back going from the arm’s midpoint to the opposite side.
-Vest has two large slash pockets on both sides of the front. The top edge of the slash pocket is at approximately mid-way up the front of the vest, and the lower edge stops at about one-quarter of the way down the side of the vest.
-The right side of the vest has a padded applique with vertical stitched lines forming padded rows.
-The sleeve caps are made of the same material as the vest.
-A grey rank badge is attached to the right sleeve cap.
-The rank badge attached to the right sleeve cap is a grey rectangle approximately 1.75" by 2" (40mmx50mm) and has multiple raised features.
-The rank badge features two shapes resembling engine cooling fins, on either side of a boxlike structure with raised bar details. There are two raised domes with wire details adjacent to the cooling fins, with a raised feature situated between the domes. The wires from the domes appear to mount to this raised feature. On the end of the badge opposite the cooling fin details, there is a raised rectangular box approximately 1" (25mm) long, and 3/8" (10mm) tall. Details may be dark grey, metallic, black and lightly weathered.
-A grey rank badge is attached to the vest left chest. The rank badge consists of a square base approximately 1.75" (40mm) square with a central square opening, four cylinders at the top of the square, one cylinder at the bottom of the square. There is a raised rectangle with "teeth" which point to the wearers right, and another set point upwards. Several raised bars are at the mid line of the greeblie. The greeblie may have dark silver details, and may be lightly weathered.
-The vest has band around the bottom of the vest approximately 2"-2.5"(50-75mm) wide made of the same material. The fabric of the vest should be piuckered into the band forming darts at the back, and sides.
-The vest is moderately weathered and stained.

Belt:

-Military style riggers style belt with black or olive drab buckle. Belt is made of approximately 2” (50mm) olive green or olive drab webbing.

Pouches:

-Minimum two olive drab pouches, such as M14/M16 cotton duck pouches. -M14 pouches may feature plastic or cloth tabbed closure. Other cotton duck pouches may be acceptable if they resemble those seen on screen.
-At least one medium brown or dark brown leather ammunition pouch. -Yugoslavian ammunition pouches dyed medium to dark brown are acceptable.
-Greeblie attached to at least one cotton M14/M16 pouch. The greeblie is rectangular, and features raised circle, square and dome details. Color may be metallic grey to dark silver.
-Pouches should resemble those seen on screen.

Gloves:

-Short leather or leather like work gloves (tan, brown, or deerskin).
-Ball strap type gloves are allowed.
-No logos are permitted on gloves.

Gaiters:

-Tan gaiters with a seam down the front, with a strap made of the same fabric near the top.
-Gaiters rise from boot to approximately halfway up the shin.
-One half of a black parachute clip mounted near the top to the inner part of gaiters.
-Gaiters close in black with Velcro.
-Gaiters are weathered.

Shoes:

-Plain round toe black leather or leather like shoes, or boots. Sole and heel should be conservative.
-Upper part of boot is covered by the gaiter.

Optional items:


* Hoth rank badge on right shoulder.
*Hoth styel 9 square unit patch on right shoulder
* Large medium to dark brown leather pouch with closure strap worn on right hip.
* A-280 rifle
*Officer / Leadership style helmet decal on right outer ring temple.[/img]
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Squadron Commander, DragonSnake Squadron

Regimental Sergeant Major, RMMC, 6th Expeditionary Force, Tannerman Rifles Regiment.

Commander, Deep South Mothership, Visitor Fleet.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2021 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a great start. I haven't done much research on any of the ROTJ Falcon crew myself, but one immediate detail jumped out at me.

I think we're using the term "combadge" for the Hoth-style rectangular greeblies. For the ERT standards we're calling the square greeblie a rank badge. Just so we keep things consistent.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2021 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Colonel Cracken is obviously an officer, so that standard should fall under Commanders, not RAID.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 3:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agreed. Cracken and Blount are officers, and Cracken wears the pants / shirt combination on screen in the deleted scenes, but has the covealls when seated behind Lando. We will work on that separately.

I changed the working on the 9 panel patch to match the proposal for the A/B type trooper , that way we have consistent wording.

Proposal now stands at V.2.1
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2021 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

here is my updated version, with revisions noted in blue. removals in red underline.

Proposal

V.2.2

Millenium Falcon Commando Crew/ Engineering Support Crew


CHARACTER DESCRIPTION (Proposed)

Millennium Falcon Commando Crew/ Engineering Support Crew

During the Alliance raid on Endor, the Millennium Falcon provided vital support to the Alliance by spearheading the space-borne assault on the forest moon. Lead by competent, highly experienced Alliance officers, support troopers provided vital functions during the climactic battle. The support crew wore helmets and combat smocks similar to those worn by the troopers on Endor. Made up of highly trained specialists, maintenance engineers and other support crew, the Falcons’ temporary support crew made sure that the freighter was able to stay in the fight, to finally bring about the end of the Empire.

REQUIRED ITEMS

Jumpsuit:

- tan or light brown long sleeved jumpsuit.
- Mandarin collar approximately 1.25” (30mm) with pointed strap that covers the throat from left to right. Strap is closed with Velcro.
- Cuffs secured with pointed strap, secured with Velcro.
- No visible buttons or zippers on jumpsuit. Front zipper is hidden by a strip of the same material as the flight suit.
- Horizontal felled seam across top of chest and two seams going down from it to the belt line.
- There are two pockets with rounded diagonal opening on torso above the belt on both sides.
- There is a rectangular pocket with a horizontal rectangular flap closure on upper-middle of wearer's right arm.
- There is a rectangular code cylinder pocket on the wearer's upper left sleeve with slots for four code cylinders. A diagonal corner faces to the wearer’s front.
-There is a rectangular pocket on the wearers left forearm, facing outward, with an open window. Nothing is placed in this pocket.
-There are two upper thigh pockets with curved openings, one on the front of each leg.
-There are four square pockets on the legs below the upper thigh pocket, all have rectangular flaps.
-The lower set of the leg pockets may be on the shin or at the knee, but the flap should be seen above the top of the gaiter.
-The jumpsuit may be lightly stained.




Helmet:

-Consisting of a light brown or tan AN-H-15 cloth helmet (or replica) with a ribbed strip on the top, a replica rigid outer ring, and fabric cloth bill closely matching the rest of the helmet fabric.
-The bill portion of the helmet is attached directly to the outer ring, and is not sewn to the cloth helmet.
-The cloth bill should not protrude more than about 2" (50mm) from the front of the helmet.
-There are several concentric sewn rings on the bill.

-The cloth helmet features black earcups/ headphone mounts. These may be plastic or vinyl. The hole for the ear should have tight mesh screen added to prevent easily seeing through the ear holes.
-The outer ring has a cutout at the top to allow the top of the fabric helmet to push out.
-The rigid outer ring is the Endor style helmet, not the Scarif style helmet.
-The outer ring has a inset backside on the upper half of the ring, with segmented or black painted partitions. This inset covers the area approximately one-quarter of the circumference of the helmet. The inset follows below the horizontal ridge of the helmet, onto the bottom half of the ring.
-The outer ring is dark green, dark olive green, or weathered mottled green.
-The outer ring is properly fitted to the wearer’s head and cloth helmet assembly, so the ring sits down on the head. The bottom of the ring should cover the top third of the ear holes when worn.
-The outer ring should be moderately weathered/ stained and chipped. Silver and black weathering are permitted.
-The helmet is worn level on the head and should not be rocked back onto the head.
-The outer ring may feature yellow and dark red officers rank on the right temple area, but this is not mandatory.


Vest:

-Accurately shaped tan or light brown capped sleeve combat vest.
-The vest has a felled seam across the front on both sides from approximately the arms’ midpoint.
-The vest has a felled seam across the back going from the arm’s midpoint to the opposite side.
-Vest has two large slash pockets on both sides of the front. The top edge of the slash pocket is at approximately mid-way up the front of the vest, and the lower edge stops at about one-quarter of the way down the side of the vest.
-The right side of the vest has a padded applique with vertical stitched lines forming padded rows.
-The sleeve caps are made of the same material as the vest.
-A grey rank badge is attached to the right sleeve cap.
-The rank badge attached to the right sleeve cap is a grey rectangle approximately 1.75" by 2" (40mmx50mm) and has multiple raised features.
-The rank badge features two shapes resembling engine cooling fins, on either side of a boxlike structure with raised bar details. There are two raised domes with wire details adjacent to the cooling fins, with a raised feature situated between the domes. The wires from the domes appear to mount to this raised feature. On the end of the badge opposite the cooling fin details, there is a raised rectangular box approximately 1" (25mm) long, and 3/8" (10mm) tall. Details may be dark grey, metallic, black and lightly weathered.
-A different grey rank badge is attached to the vest left chest. The rank badge consists of a square base approximately 1.75" (40mm) square with a central square opening, four cylinders at the top of the square, one cylinder at the bottom of the square. There is a raised rectangle with "teeth" which point to the wearers right and another set point upwards Several raised bars are at the mid line of the greeblie. The greeblie may have dark silver details, and may be lightly weathered.
-The vest has band around the bottom of the vest approximately 2"-2.5"(50-75mm) wide made of the same material. The fabric of the vest should be puckered into the band forming darts at the back and sides.
-The vest is moderately weathered and stained.










Belt:

-Military style riggers style belt with black buckle. Belt is made of approximately 2” (50mm) olive green or olive drab webbing.


[img[https://i.imgur.com/3fBXUvN.png[/img]


Pouches:

-Minimum two olive drab pouches, such as M14/M16 cotton duck pouches.
-M14 pouches may feature plastic or cloth tabbed closure. Other cotton duck pouches may be acceptable if they resemble those seen on screen.
-At least one medium brown or dark brown leather ammunition pouch. -Yugoslavian ammunition pouches dyed medium to dark brown are acceptable.
-Greeblie attached to at least one cotton M14/M16 pouch. The greeblie is rectangular, and features raised circle, square and dome details. Color may be metallic grey to dark silver.
-Pouches should resemble those seen on screen.






Gloves:

-Short leather or leather like work gloves (tan, brown, or deerskin).
-Ball strap type gloves are allowed.
-No logos are permitted on gloves.


Gaiters:

-Tan gaiters with a seam down the front, with a strap made of the same fabric near the top.
-Gaiters rise from boot to approximately halfway up the shin.
-One half of a black parachute clip mounted near the top to the inner part of gaiters.
-Gaiters close in black with Velcro.
-Gaiters are weathered.




Shoes:

-Plain round toe black leather or leather like shoes, or boots. Sole and heel should be conservative.
-Upper part of boot is covered by the gaiter.

Optional items:

* Hoth rank badge on right shoulder.[/u]

*Hoth styel 9 square unit patch on right shoulder.
* Large medium to dark brown leather pouch with closure strap worn on right hip.
* A-280 rifle
*Officer / Leadership style helmet decal on right outer ring temple.[/img]
_________________
Once I was Dewka, but now I'm just G'nott sH'urr

Squadron Commander, DragonSnake Squadron

Regimental Sergeant Major, RMMC, 6th Expeditionary Force, Tannerman Rifles Regiment.

Commander, Deep South Mothership, Visitor Fleet.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

updated with photo references
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2021 3:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess the next thing I need to do is fix up my own costume to this level and get some photos.

**Edit** 2/8 This weekend I worked on my own gear, Its almost done as far as upgrades, I need to work on my rifle some as well, but I am almost ready for photo re-shoots for this costume.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i found an easy and cheap source for that odd pouch seen on the Sullustan. This is a Sam Brown belt officers pouch. https://tinyurl.com/Sam-Brown-Pouch


I am amending the proposal to proposal 2.1.1 because I am adding this bit of text on the line describing that pouch, and I am going to clean up some odd bits of URL code .



here is my updated version, with revisions noted in blue. removals in red underline.

Proposal

V.2.2.1

Millenium Falcon Commando Crew/ Engineering Support Crew


CHARACTER DESCRIPTION (Proposed)

Millennium Falcon Commando Crew/ Engineering Support Crew

During the Alliance raid on Endor, the Millennium Falcon provided vital support to the Alliance by spearheading the space-borne assault on the forest moon. Lead by competent, highly experienced Alliance officers, support troopers provided vital functions during the climactic battle. The support crew wore helmets and combat smocks similar to those worn by the troopers on Endor. Made up of highly trained specialists, maintenance engineers and other support crew, the Falcons’ temporary support crew made sure that the freighter was able to stay in the fight, to finally bring about the end of the Empire.

REQUIRED ITEMS

Jumpsuit:

- tan or light brown long sleeved jumpsuit.
- Mandarin collar approximately 1.25” (30mm) with pointed strap that covers the throat from left to right. Strap is closed with Velcro.
- Cuffs secured with pointed strap, secured with Velcro.
- No visible buttons or zippers on jumpsuit. Front zipper is hidden by a strip of the same material as the flight suit.
- Horizontal felled seam across top of chest and two seams going down from it to the belt line.
- There are two pockets with rounded diagonal opening on torso above the belt on both sides.
- There is a rectangular pocket with a horizontal rectangular flap closure on upper-middle of wearer's right arm.
- There is a rectangular code cylinder pocket on the wearer's upper left sleeve with slots for four code cylinders. A diagonal corner faces to the wearer’s front.
-There is a rectangular pocket on the wearers left forearm, facing outward, with an open window. Nothing is placed in this pocket.
-There are two upper thigh pockets with curved openings, one on the front of each leg.
-There are four square pockets on the legs below the upper thigh pocket, all have rectangular flaps.
-The lower set of the leg pockets may be on the shin or at the knee, but the flap should be seen above the top of the gaiter.
-The jumpsuit may be lightly stained.




Helmet:

-Consisting of a light brown or tan AN-H-15 cloth helmet (or replica) with a ribbed strip on the top, a replica rigid outer ring, and fabric cloth bill closely matching the rest of the helmet fabric.
-The bill portion of the helmet is attached directly to the outer ring, and is not sewn to the cloth helmet.
-The cloth bill should not protrude more than about 2" (50mm) from the front of the helmet.
-There are several concentric sewn rings on the bill.

-The cloth helmet features black earcups/ headphone mounts. These may be plastic or vinyl. The hole for the ear should have tight mesh screen added to prevent easily seeing through the ear holes.
-The outer ring has a cutout at the top to allow the top of the fabric helmet to push out.
-The rigid outer ring is the Endor style helmet, not the Scarif style helmet.
-The outer ring has a inset backside on the upper half of the ring, with segmented or black painted partitions. This inset covers the area approximately one-quarter of the circumference of the helmet. The inset follows below the horizontal ridge of the helmet, onto the bottom half of the ring.
-The outer ring is dark green, dark olive green, or weathered mottled green.
-The outer ring is properly fitted to the wearer’s head and cloth helmet assembly, so the ring sits down on the head. The bottom of the ring should cover the top third of the ear holes when worn.
-The outer ring should be moderately weathered/ stained and chipped. Silver and black weathering are permitted.
-The helmet is worn level on the head and should not be rocked back onto the head.



Vest:

-Accurately shaped tan or light brown capped sleeve combat vest.
-The vest has a felled seam across the front on both sides from approximately the arms’ midpoint.
-The vest has a felled seam across the back going from the arm’s midpoint to the opposite side.
-Vest has two large slash pockets on both sides of the front. The top edge of the slash pocket is at approximately mid-way up the front of the vest, and the lower edge stops at about one-quarter of the way down the side of the vest.
-The right side of the vest has a padded applique with vertical stitched lines forming padded rows.
-The sleeve caps are made of the same material as the vest.
-The vest has band around the bottom of the vest approximately 2"-2.5"(50-75mm) wide made of the same material. The fabric of the vest should be puckered into the band forming darts at the back and sides.
-A grey rank badge is attached to the right sleeve cap.
-The rank badge attached to the right sleeve cap is a grey rectangle approximately 1.75" by 2" (40mmx50mm) and has multiple raised features.
-The rank badge features two shapes resembling engine cooling fins, on either side of a boxlike structure with raised bar details. There are two raised domes with wire details adjacent to the cooling fins, with a raised feature situated between the domes. The wires from the domes appear to mount to this raised feature. On the end of the badge opposite the cooling fin details, there is a raised rectangular box approximately 1" (25mm) long, and 3/8" (10mm) tall. Details may be dark grey, metallic, black and lightly weathered.
-A different grey rank badge is attached to the vest left chest. The rank badge consists of a square base approximately 1.75" (40mm) square with a central square opening, four cylinders at the top of the square, one cylinder at the bottom of the square.
Several raised bars are at the mid line of the greeblie. The greeblie may have dark silver details, and may be lightly weathered.
-The vest is moderately weathered and stained.










Belt:

-Military style riggers style belt with black buckle. Belt is made of approximately 2” (50mm) olive green or olive drab webbing.


[img[https://i.imgur.com/3fBXUvN.png[/img]


Pouches:

-Minimum two olive drab pouches, such as M14/M16 cotton duck pouches.
-M14 pouches may feature plastic or cloth tabbed closure. Other cotton duck pouches may be acceptable if they resemble those seen on screen.
-At least one medium brown or dark brown leather ammunition pouch. -Yugoslavian ammunition pouches dyed medium to dark brown are acceptable.
A medium or dark brown leather or leather like Sam Brown belt style pouch is permitted.
-Greeblie attached to at least one cotton M14/M16 pouch. The greeblie is rectangular, and features raised circle, square and dome details. Color may be metallic grey to dark silver.
-Pouches should resemble those seen on screen.






Gloves:

-Short leather or leather like work gloves (tan, brown, or deerskin).
-Ball strap type gloves are allowed.
-No logos are permitted on gloves.


Gaiters:

-Tan gaiters with a seam down the front, with a strap made of the same fabric near the top.
-Gaiters rise from boot to approximately halfway up the shin.
-One half of a black parachute clip mounted near the top to the inner part of gaiters.
-Gaiters close in black with Velcro.
-Gaiters are weathered.




Shoes:

-Plain round toe black leather or leather like shoes, or boots. Sole and heel should be conservative.
-Upper part of boot is covered by the gaiter.

Optional items:
*Hoth style 9 square unit patch on right shoulder.
* Large medium to dark brown leather pouch with closure strap worn on right hip. A Sam Brown Officers Belt pouch is preferred.
* A-280 rifle
*Officer / Leadership style helmet decal on right outer ring temple.[/img][url][/url]
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will be putting my uniform back together to take new approval photos for submission for this trooper/ engineer / technician version. Reposting the newest version of the Standard proposal here without photos so its easier to read:



Millennium Falcon Commando Crew/ Engineering Support Crew


CHARACTER DESCRIPTION (Proposed)

Millennium Falcon Commando Crew/ Engineering Support Crew

During the Alliance raid on Endor, the Millennium Falcon provided vital support to the Alliance by spearheading the space-borne assault on the forest moon. Lead by competent, highly experienced Alliance officers, support troopers provided vital functions during the climactic battle. The support crew wore helmets and combat smocks similar to those worn by the troopers on Endor. Made up of highly trained specialists, maintenance engineers and other support crew, the Falcons’ temporary support crew made sure that the freighter was able to stay in the fight, to finally bring about the end of the Empire.

REQUIRED ITEMS

Jumpsuit:

- tan or light brown long sleeved jumpsuit.
- Mandarin collar approximately 1.25” (30mm) with pointed strap that covers the throat from left to right. Strap is closed with Velcro.
- Cuffs secured with pointed strap, secured with Velcro.
- No visible buttons or zippers on jumpsuit. Front zipper is hidden by a strip of the same material as the flight suit.
- Horizontal felled seam across top of chest and two seams going down from it to the belt line.
- There are two pockets with rounded diagonal opening on torso above the belt on both sides.
- There is a rectangular pocket with a horizontal rectangular flap closure on upper-middle of wearer's right arm.
- There is a rectangular code cylinder pocket on the wearer's upper left sleeve with slots for four code cylinders. A diagonal corner faces to the wearer’s front.
-There is a rectangular pocket on the wearers left forearm, facing outward, with an open window. Nothing is placed in this pocket.
-There are two upper thigh pockets with curved openings, one on the front of each leg.
-There are four square pockets on the legs below the upper thigh pocket, all have rectangular flaps.
-The lower set of the leg pockets may be on the shin or at the knee, but the flap should be seen above the top of the gaiter.
-The jumpsuit may be lightly stained.

Endor Helmet:

-Consisting of a light brown or tan AN-H-15 cloth helmet (or replica) with a ribbed strip on the top, a replica rigid outer ring, and fabric cloth bill closely matching the rest of the helmet fabric.
-The bill portion of the helmet is attached directly to the outer ring, and is not sewn to the cloth helmet.
-The cloth bill should not protrude more than about 2" (50mm) from the front of the helmet.
-There are several concentric sewn rings on the bill.
-The cloth helmet features black earcups/ headphone mounts. These may be plastic or vinyl. The hole for the ear should have tight mesh screen added to prevent easily seeing through the ear holes.
-The outer ring has a cutout at the top to allow the top of the fabric helmet to push out.
-The rigid outer ring is the Endor style helmet, not the Scarif style helmet.
-The outer ring has a inset backside on the upper half of the ring, with segmented or black painted partitions. This inset covers the area approximately one-quarter of the circumference of the helmet. The inset follows below the horizontal ridge of the helmet, onto the bottom half of the ring.
-The outer ring is dark green, dark olive green, or weathered mottled green.
-The outer ring is properly fitted to the wearer’s head and cloth helmet assembly, so the ring sits down on the head. The bottom of the ring should cover the top third of the ear holes when worn.
-The outer ring should be moderately weathered/ stained and chipped. Silver and black weathering are permitted.
-The helmet is worn level on the head and should not be rocked back onto the head.

Vest:

-Accurately shaped tan or light brown capped sleeve combat vest.
-The vest has a felled seam across the front on both sides from approximately the arms’ midpoint.
-The vest has a felled seam across the back going from the arm’s midpoint to the opposite side.
-Vest has two large slash pockets on both sides of the front. The top edge of the slash pocket is at approximately mid-way up the front of the vest, and the lower edge stops at about one-quarter of the way down the side of the vest.
-The right side of the vest has a padded applique with vertical stitched lines forming padded rows.
-The sleeve caps are made of the same material as the vest.
-The vest has band around the bottom of the vest approximately 2"-2.5"(50-75mm) wide made of the same material. The fabric of the vest should be puckered into the band forming darts at the back and sides.
-A grey rank badge is attached to the right sleeve cap.
-The rank badge attached to the right sleeve cap is a grey rectangle approximately 1.75" by 2" (40mmx50mm) and has multiple raised features.
-The rank badge features two shapes resembling engine cooling fins, on either side of a boxlike structure with raised bar details. There are two raised domes with wire details adjacent to the cooling fins, with a raised feature situated between the domes. The wires from the domes appear to mount to this raised feature. On the end of the badge opposite the cooling fin details, there is a raised rectangular box approximately 1" (25mm) long, and 3/8" (10mm) tall. Details may be dark grey, metallic, black and lightly weathered.
-A different grey rank badge is attached to the vest left chest. The rank badge consists of a square base approximately 1.75" (40mm) square with a central square opening, four cylinders at the top of the square, one cylinder at the bottom of the square.
Several raised bars are at the mid line of the greeblie. The greeblie may have dark silver details, and may be lightly weathered.
-The vest is moderately weathered and stained.

Belt:

-Military style riggers style belt with black buckle. Belt is made of approximately 2” (50mm) olive green or olive drab webbing.

Pouches:

-Minimum two olive drab pouches, such as M14/M16 cotton duck pouches.
-M14 pouches may feature plastic or cloth tabbed closure. Other cotton duck pouches may be acceptable if they resemble those seen on screen.
-A greeblie attached to at least one cotton M14/M16 pouch. The greeblie is rectangular, and features raised circle, square and dome details. Color may be metallic grey to dark silver.
-At least one medium brown or dark brown leather ammunition pouch. -Yugoslavian ammunition pouches dyed medium to dark brown are acceptable.
-A medium or dark brown leather or leather like Sam Brown belt style pouch is permitted.
-A Swedish Mauser model 94 ammunition pouch or replica is permitted.

Gloves:

-Short leather or leather like work gloves (tan, brown, or deerskin).
-Ball strap type gloves are allowed.
-No logos are permitted on gloves.

Gaiters:

-Tan gaiters with a seam down the front, with a strap made of the same fabric near the top.
-Gaiters rise from boot to approximately halfway up the shin.
-One half of a black parachute clip mounted near the top to the inner part of gaiters.
-Gaiters close in black with Velcro.
-Gaiters are weathered.

Shoes:

-Plain round toe black leather or leather like shoes, or boots. Sole and heel should be conservative.
-Upper part of boot is covered by the gaiter.

Optional items:

*Hoth style 9 square unit patch on right shoulder.
* Large medium to dark brown leather pouch with closure strap worn on right hip. A Sam Brown Officers Belt pouch is preferred.
* A-280 rifle
*Officer / Leadership style helmet decal on right outer ring temple
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2021 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree that the current standard for the gunners is confusing. I would highly recommend more clearer images on the outfits.

I am in the small minority who are planning to do an endor gunner outfit. Plus the optional sharpshooter.

Clearer images are paramount to get this costume up to RL standards.

All we can do is take high res screen shots since LFL is not sharing costume photos.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2021 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right now we are heavily reworking the General Cracken costume in the Commanders detachment. It will probably be copied over to this topic since so much more effort has been put into that one and besides a few components the parts are largely the same.

The Commanders Detachment topic has MANY more photos in it than I have ever seen before, including sources I was never aware of.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2021 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This comment is really about *all* standard development:

Please continue to work on developing and improving any standards you can. Just understand that even when "you" are done, this will take a very long time. There is already a massive backlog for the present Standards crew because of problems from several years prior. There are around 140+ proposals & updates "in line" already.

The work is important, but through no fault of "yours" or theirs, there is a big delay.
Keep working by all means, I just wanted you to know that the massive "lag" has nothing to do with indifference or antipathy.
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