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PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2021 4:22 pm    Post subject: Jan Ors build Reply with quote

I'm assuming Jan would be in Fringe--I don't see any standards for her so here we go. I will try very hard to actually update this build thread.

Outer shirt:

Many stores are calling things like these "shackets" and that makes me want to die inside. It just seems like a shirt with cargo pockets to me. Anyhoo, I'm modifying the McCall's pattern M8067:
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I sewed a mockup of the pattern pretty much as-is; it's easier for me to modify it when it's on me than when it's flat. I can't conceptualize the 2D to 3D thing.

Yes, I just sewed the collar on top. Fight me.



I didn't add the pockets but I did mock them up and add 4" extra fabric to make the inverted box pleat. I used the pocket pattern from the McCall's as a base.

Things I know I need to change:

Shorten the sleeves so they are more of a cap-style sleeve.

Make the collar and lapel MUCH smaller. Sheesh, these lapels are huge. Jan's are fairly small and a bit rounded at the edges:



The left lapel (and it seems to be only the left?) has a burnt orange lining.

Add a yoke to the front and back (I already cut my back pieces down the center instead of on the fold, as you can see there is a center back seam)



I had to change the contrast on most of my PS4 screenshots because they transferred over super dark.

Take in the side seams--right now I have A LOT of blousing and I want a little less.

I have to figure out what the tab on her left shoulder is--it looks like a large tri glide of some sort? The right shoulder is, I think, a black button similar to the ones on the pockets but larger.

Pants:
I had originally planned to modify a pair of khakis, but to have enough fabric for the cargo pockets on the outer calves I'd need to probably buy two pairs. Plus, the above screenshot shows that there is a funky yoke/seam treatment going on across the back of the pants. There is also a chevron-type seam detail on the upper thighs. So I've got to locate some stretchy khaki twill and work on a pattern for those.

Undershirt:

I bought a cream-colored ribbed shirt with a prominent collar and I plan on dunking it in some coffee or dye to darken it to a grungier tone.

Boots: I plan on using my Jyn boots and flaps for Jan's, except probably without the top flaps, since Jan's pants go over the tops of her books, and Jyn's do not.



Goggles:
I'm thinking about modifying something like this for Jan's goggles:

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Belt I am counting six (!!!) belt boxes. I hate making them but fine, here we are. One of them (left side) is much larger than the others. Each belt box also has a subtly different shape or decoration. For the belt itself, I'm not sure if I want to do webbing or leather or both. The square belt buckle looks like it would be more for a webbed belt. The belt also has two layers: a darker inner layer and a lighter/khaki-ish outer layer. Maybe 1 1/2" to 2" wide?


The gun holster ... I don't know what's going on in this shot but I'm guessing it's a pretty basic holster? I am also absolutely terrible at identifying blasters--what is she using?

Bracer (left arm):

This seems a bit simpler than Rey's bracer; I don't think it wraps around itself as many times. I see a green jewel (??) on there--is this supposed to be a comlink?

Glove (right arm):

I'm going to use a larger leather glove and add thin leather strips over the top to create the details.

Kneepads: I will probably make these out of leather and dye them a dark brown. There is a vertical seam on the inner third of the pad and the strap looks like some sort of very wide brown elastic webbing??? Is that a thing?

So that's what I've got so far. Comments/critiques/suggestions welcomed!!!
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PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2021 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I forgot about the weird thing she wears around her waist/hips. I've been calling them panniers in my head. Anyway, it looks like a ribbed brown fabric?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2021 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So this is my jacket/vest/shirt so far:
https://imgur.com/a/noYipzI

I'm slightly panicking because I forgot about the center seam I think I see on the back yoke. So I might have to redo the whole back (huzzah), but honestly, as long as it's not the front pockets again, I'm cool. I have the buttons for the pockets as well, but yesterday I thought I had lost one until I found it in my buttonhole foot. *facepalm* Sidenote: this is my first time using a buttonhole foot and I am kind of obsessed. I want to go around adding buttonholes to lots of other things now.

Today I need to re-draft the sleeves, because I made the sleeve caps too high and the ones I had are VERY fitted to the arm. I also need to add velcro or snaps to the front closure, haven't decided which yet. Depending on the back replacement situation, it then needs some hemming and the addition of the tabs to hold the front button and front greeblie. I'm going to 3D print my greeblie tomorrow at work.

Also on the docket: tea dyeing the undershirt I found, which is more on the white side of off-white than it should be.

I finally got a pair of Veronicas for my Jyn and so I'm making new boot flaps for her and Jan at the same time.

I'm a little stumped on making a mockup of the pants. I bought a stretch khaki fabric and I don't want to use THAT as my working fabric, but I don't have any other stretch wovens to sacrifice. Hmm.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2021 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://imgur.com/8jIHLGc
Et voilà, sleeves!
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2021 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jan is actually in the GSC. http://www.forum.rebellegion.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=45818


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2021 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Kristina! I need a flow chart or a list or something lol.

There's probably no good way in our forums to move the thread, ha. :/
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2021 12:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pamelibrarian wrote:
Thanks Kristina! I need a flow chart or a list or something lol.

There's probably no good way in our forums to move the thread, ha. :/


Yay! You got the thread moved. Smile It looks like you have a really solid start. (Knowing the quality of your Jyn and Rey, that doesn't surprise me in the least, though.) Your pockets and sleeves turned out so well! I do think you are correct that there is a center back seam in the yoke based on the refs I looked at.

I've been looking at Jan Ors refs, and her costume looks like it has a few versions? The animated version in the game has a darker contrasting collar than the live action version? The card games/miniatures cards seem to be in line with the live action. Whenever we work on a standard (hint, hint- we'd love your help with that), we'll probably want to include both options. I'm seeing different shirt colors in various refs as well? Is that something between the first game and the second, a comic thing, or a fan art thing? It sounds like you are able to screen cap from the game- would you be willing to help us build up a reference image library for this costume?

Dark Contrasting Collar


Lighter Fashion Fabric Collar:


The greebs on the left shoulder look different in those refs as well. Do you have a plan for those? If you get stuck let me know and I'll see if we can find someone to model them.

Pant mock up wise- did you figure out fabric? I did see this stretch twill for $3/yard, but faaabulous color aside, it's also a 4 way stretch not a 2-way, which if your fabric is a 2-way is not great. Most of the 2-way stretch twills I saw were about$6/yard which is a bit spendy for a mock up. Maybe measure the stretch of your fashion fabric, and then look for something with similar stretch that's on clearance?

https://www.stylishfabric.com/teal-light-4-way-twill-stretch-fabric.html


The blaster she carries in most of the refs I saw looks like a DH-17 blaster pistol- like what fleet troopers use.

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/DH-17_blaster_pistol




But it also looks like she might use either a DH-17 rifle or an E-11 rifle? The image is just super blurry and there isn't a good view of the barrel.



The goggles you chose look like an excellent base! Do you know what model/brand they are? That would be a great resource for others.

It sounds like you have a great plan for the shirt and boots.

Belt wise, agree it's two layers and that webbing would be logical with the style buckle.

The card game has a fairly good view of the holster here if that helps at all:



The bracer I think may be a commlink like you mentioned- Juno has one in The Force Unleashed II that is integrated into a bracer.

Glove wise- I'm wondering if some of that detail would work with a metal rod? This is another thing that looks pretty inconsistent between refs though.




The knee pads- have you looked at dance kneepads? They come in dark brown. You might be able to use a pair of those as a base, and add the plastic bit on top? Floral paint might work on the elastic on a pair of construction pads if you can find ones with the right shape. They do sell extra wide elastic as well- that dark coffee brown is a harder color to find, though. May be worth experimenting on cheaper elastic with a poly dye?

The "panniers" (totally got what you meant immediately) look like a tactical version of tassets- medieval thigh armor.
https://www.medievalarmour.com/blackened-markward-tassets

It looks like those are a thing:
https://www.cheaperthandirt.net/damascus-protective-gear-imperial-thigh%2Fgroin-protector-with-molle-system-black-tg40/20-DM-TG40.html

Hers look like a vaguely quilted version? I think you have the skills to pattern them.





Jazzed to see your progress on this!

Oh! The refs I have so far are here:
https://imgur.com/a/HmfBvCW
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2021 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Kristina--thank you so much for your reply! It is SO helpful.

As for the variance in the costume, that has me confused a little. The live action shots are from Dark Forces II (which, full disclosure, I have not played) and the version I am going for is from Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast. I don't see a Jedi Outcast Kyle Katarn standard (it could be hiding, IDK), but the comics one is separate from the Dark Forces II one. So will I need to work on separate standards or make one a variant of the other?

I don't have much progress I can photograph. I bought the webbing for my belt and 3D printed a basic buckle and shoulder greeblie, which I plan on painting tomorrow. I made one of my six (UGH) belt boxes, and I have to make six more for my brother. Today I ripped out and re-sewed the yoke with the added center seam. I'm dithering over the collar, though, as I have some references from Jedi Outcast that show no variance in tone between the collar and the jacket.




and



and in this one, it sort of ombrés from back to front???



Gah. I might just make a second collar and dye it and then decide.

I'm also questioning the inner webbing on the belt. In many pics, it looks like there is some sort of lighter edge detail on the brown webbing, or possibly piping? I can't find a bias tape that is a match for the tan webbing I have, so I'm worried I will have to dye that too (Rey guide me). Here I've laid out bias tape underneath a thinner inner belt, and bias tape folded over the edge of a wider piece.




I think that the fabric I originally bought for the pants is too thin. I bought it unswatched from Mood *regrets*. Although it is labeled a twill it almost feels like a stretch poplin Sad So I found another stretch twill that is definitely a bottomweight and bought that. I'll use the original fabric for mockups, since I don't have anything else I'd use it for.

I still haven't decided on a pair of goggles but if you search for welding goggles or vintage safety goggles on eBay, this style comes up.

Here is the reference post I am building. I have more pics but haven't moved everything over from my USB drive yet.
https://imgur.com/a/QTlqlVl
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2021 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can someone remind me how you insert the images so they are actually visible? I obviously did it in my first post but ???
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2021 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pamelibrarian wrote:
Can someone remind me how you insert the images so they are actually visible? I obviously did it in my first post but ???


You have to grab the share link for BBCode. I've got screenshots showing how in this thread here:

http://www.forum.rebellegion.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=101861

Sidenote- I fixed the ones in your previous post by adding ".jpeg" and then highlighting the whole thing and clicking the "Img" button above the text box to add the show image coding.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2021 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pamelibrarian wrote:
Hi Kristina--thank you so much for your reply! It is SO helpful.

As for the variance in the costume, that has me confused a little. The live action shots are from Dark Forces II (which, full disclosure, I have not played) and the version I am going for is from Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast. I don't see a Jedi Outcast Kyle Katarn standard (it could be hiding, IDK), but the comics one is separate from the Dark Forces II one. So will I need to work on separate standards or make one a variant of the other?


Variance/standards-wise, I think the deciding factor for two standards or a variant is going to be how many elements are different. I would suggest making a table with one costume on one side, and the other on the other. Then go through each costume element and see where the differences lie. If is is more than a couple of things or a major item, then we should look at a new standard. If it is just a couple of things, we can make a variation. Either way, it's a similar amount of work because we can copy and paste item descriptions between standards to keep things consistent.

Pamelibrarian wrote:
I don't have much progress I can photograph. I bought the webbing for my belt and 3D printed a basic buckle and shoulder greeblie, which I plan on painting tomorrow. I made one of my six (UGH) belt boxes, and I have to make six more for my brother. Today I ripped out and re-sewed the yoke with the added center seam. I'm dithering over the collar, though, as I have some references from Jedi Outcast that show no variance in tone between the collar and the jacket.

Gah. I might just make a second collar and dye it and then decide.


Collar wise, if we have references showing both versions and an ombre effect- which is an inconsistency I find totally likely in a video game- I would lean towards writing the standard so that all of those options are accepted options. We would include multiple references so all are documented. For your build, I would pick the one you personally like best or think is most prevalent.

Pamelibrarian wrote:
I'm also questioning the inner webbing on the belt. In many pics, it looks like there is some sort of lighter edge detail on the brown webbing, or possibly piping? I can't find a bias tape that is a match for the tan webbing I have, so I'm worried I will have to dye that too (Rey guide me). Here I've laid out bias tape underneath a thinner inner belt, and bias tape folded over the edge of a wider piece.


The bias tape in your picture is not an exact match, but I personally would say it is close enough to be in range. If you are worried or want an exact match, continuous bias is actually pretty easy to make. You might be able to match the webbing in a fabric? I can share a tutorial for continuous bias if you want to try. I do think you should add the piping like detail though- it really adds a lot.

Pamelibrarian wrote:
I think that the fabric I originally bought for the pants is too thin. I bought it unswatched from Mood *regrets*. Although it is labeled a twill it almost feels like a stretch poplin Sad So I found another stretch twill that is definitely a bottomweight and bought that. I'll use the original fabric for mockups, since I don't have anything else I'd use it for.


You totally meant to do that... Wink So glad you will at least be able to use it as mock up fabric.

Pamelibrarian wrote:
I still haven't decided on a pair of goggles but if you search for welding goggles or vintage safety goggles on eBay, this style comes up.


The ones you posted earlier in the thread? Those looked like a really good base.

Pamelibrarian wrote:
Here is the reference post I am building. I have more pics but haven't moved everything over from my USB drive yet.
https://imgur.com/a/QTlqlVl


Yay!
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