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Revised Y-Wing (RotJ) standards

 
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 3:14 am    Post subject: Revised Y-Wing (RotJ) standards Reply with quote

Pretty much the same run-down as the A-wing, just changed for Y-wing. If I'm incorrect on the details of the vest, I defer to those who have, as I haven't yet built one, just studied all the photos and other builds. Here are my revision proposals, with the current one first, followed by my proposal:

NOTE: Revised on 3/12/21


1. THE SUIT
CURRENT STANDARD: Grey/Light Grey flightsuit with either a mandarin-style collar (with pointed tab) or the same tab under another flipped up collar
*Correct arm pockets (shaped code cylinder pocket on upper left arm
*Rectangular pocket with a squared-flap closure on upper right arm)
*Thigh pockets with squared-flap closures (upper set required, lower set optional)
*No visible zippers or snaps

PROPOSED STANDARD: Pale-gray flightsuit with correct pockets and reinforcements. Imperial style (AT-ST/Tech/Scanning crew) are NO LONGER accepted for new submissions. The fabric should be a twill or solid medium-weight fabric, and pocket and reinforcing seams should be double-stitched around edges (ala blue jeans).
*Collar has rounded edges, and worn flipped down, with a square-ended keeper tab underneath to close (velcro closure).
*Zipper is hidden by a placket, and the opening SHOULD open towards the left (traditionally female), but can optionally open to the right. The collar keeper tab is sewn to the top of the placket, and faces towards the zipper opening.
*Left upper arm has a small, layered "pen" pocket. It is angled at a roughly 75-degree angle, centered on the upper arm. The bottom/outer pocket is squared on the bottom edges, 6-7" long and 5" wide. The middle & top pieces should be about 3"x4.5", with both made each with 2 slots for pens or similar devices (NOTE: RotJ Y-wing pilots do NOT use the code cylinders found on orange X-wing pilots).
*Yoke seam along top chest... optional for back.
*Angled reinforcing panels stitched to the upper body, between yoke seam and waist. These can also have the option of being turned into hidden slash pockets, leaving the seams on the sides open.
*Elastic draw around waist, front & back.
*Large cargo pockets, one on each upper leg. These are patch type, sewn flat to the leg, with a flat rectangular flap. These should measure 7-8" wide, 9-10" long, depending on size of suit.
*Lower-leg reinforcing panels, one on each leg. These are trapezoid shaped panels, with the small narrow point (about 4" wide) stitched right above the knee, and the bottom part stitched into the leg seams, covering the whole lower front leg.
*Arm cuffs (about 1.5" wide) should have a draw closure similar to the X-wing, with velcro and pointed ends.
*Leg cuffs should be open with plain cuff.
*No visible zippers or snaps.


2. GAITERS/LEGGINGS
CURRENT STANDARD: Light Tan, Beige, or Taupe cloth or canvas spats over black boots
Leather spats are not acceptable
Spat height should be mid-calf to just under the knee and fall all the way down
Spats should feature an additional strap (w/no buckle) of the same or similar material, running around the length around the calf approximately 1/8-1/4 down from the top of the spat
Spats may feature single or double seam running down the front or back
No laces should be visible


PROPOSED STANDARD:
One pair of lower-leg coverings, made of a tight-woven material, vinyl, or similar. The color should be light tan or pale beige, with liberal weathering encouraged. Each gaiter is constructed in two halves, with two padded seams (about 3/8"/1cm) in front and rear, and have a small gap down the center of each. The rear seam can either have a velcro closure, or the gaiter can be stitched closed and pulled on before putting on boots. The front-bottom edges should be angled to sit over the top of the boots, and ride about 1" above the bottom of the heel. The top is even all around.
*Length depends on wearer's height, but should start just below the knee. Normal length, roughly 12-14".
*A 1 to 1-1/4" wide strap, made from the same material as the gaiters, wraps around each legging at a slight angle, with the lower part about 3" from the top edge, and the higher part attached to the back about 2" from the top. A metal or metal-like slide buckle is mounted center-back.
*A 3/4" black plastic side-release buckle is mounted vertically and flat just to the side of the front edge, about 1". This will be on the right side for the right gaiter, and left for the left gaiter, and mounted between the top edge and the strap. (This is purely a decorative "greeblie", just tacked down to the surface.)
*No other visible buckles, snaps, or other closures.
NOTE: It is recommended to attach the leggings to the legs of the suit via velcro, snaps, magnets, etc to keep them from moving around or falling off.


3. BOOTS
CURRENT STANDARD: Boots should be mid-calf black boots (Jack boots or engineer boots are acceptable
Leather pull-on style preferred with low heels
No laces
No ankle buckles (small buckle at top edge of boot allowable if covered by blousing)
No non-black zippers. Any zipper closure must either be hidden or on the inside calf
No zippers on front or outside calf of boots
High-Calf and Low-Calf boots are acceptable if fully covered by the spats

PROPOSED STANDARD: Any kind of black leather or leather-like boots with rounded toe, and no visible laces, buckles, straps, or zippers. The boots may have such closures above ankle-height, as long as the gaiters will fully cover them.


4. BELT
CURRENT STANDARD: Belt may be off-white and is to buckle at the front or back with a black snap-release buckle

PROPOSED STANDARD: The belt is made of 2” white webbing, the same as the ejection straps.
*A short section of 2” white webbing is layered over the front center of the belt, with two black triangle safety stitches that point inward.
*Six flare loops made of 1” white webbing off to the wearer’s right side of the belt. At least 3 mini-flares (metal or painted dowel rods) be mounted in the flare loops.
*2” black plastic or metal side-release buckle on the BACK of the belt.


4B: EJECTION STRAPS:
CURRENT STANDARD: Leg loops are individual per leg and split at the waist. Belt is worn over the harness

PROPOSED STANDARD: Both straps are made of 2" white webbing, same as the belt.
*Constructed as one large loop, with one end stitched around the center of a thin metal 2" slide buckle, and the other end coming together with the other strap end and both stitched to the bottom of the vest (See VEST). The leg loops are formed by passing the long end through the slide buckle. The leg loops should hang freely around the knees of the wearer.
*When worn, the ejection straps are UNDER the belt in the front, roughly at the wearer's belly level.


VEST:
PROPOSED STANDARD: Accurately styled and constructed padded front vest with webbing harness, made of a solid white or off-white fabric (preferably a flat nylon or polyester).
*The front is shaped roughly like a trapezoid, with narrow bits that extend out and form the shoulder (about 2.5-3" wide) & side straps about 3.5-4" wide), with rounded scoop shapes to the neck and sides. The main center portion consists of a large padded part, sewn down on top and bottom, leaving a gusseted part on each side and down the center.
*A 1" black plastic slide buckle is mounted to each shoulder strap part of the vest, just under where the gathered loops from the 2" back webbing are stitched down. These buckles are simply "greeblies" that do nothing on this vest.
*The back consists of 2" white webbing coming together in the center back in an "X" fashion, with the top two straps connecting to the shoulders of the front piece and the webbing ends gathered over the shoulders in 4 stitched loops. The bottom straps connect to the front's sides. The shoulder straps and vest front & back should all be one piece, but the sides can be split and held together via velcro, snaps, etc (as long as the closures are hidden).
*Several "greeblies" and boxes are permanently attached to the front of the vest. One main box mounted to the top just under the collar has two options: #1, a rectangular box identified as an old Motorola "Pageboy" pager, and #2, likely the back of an old desk calculator, with angular sides and electrical component greeblies (both boxes are painted black). Another smaller black box is inserted into a small pocket just right of the center gusset on the vest. Below the small box is a square greeblie with 4 round components. Mounted to the middle just under the main padded part is a row of small square greeblies, originally multi-pin electrical plugs.
*A small flap is at the bottom of the vest, kept in place with two snaps. A small white rectangle of cloth with unknown scribbly text is stitched to the front of this flap.
*A rectangle of yellow cloth with more unknown scribbly text is stitched to the lower portion of the left of the vest.
*The ejection straps are stitched to the bottom of the vest, to a V-shaped tab just below the small flap.


GLOVES:
CURRENT STANDARD: Black gauntlet-style gloves (flared leather or pleather preferred, cloth or rubber gloves will not meet standards)

GOOD.... keep same


FORMAL REQUIREMENTS – (CURRENT STANDARD)
1. Y-Wing helmet with Star Wars-style decoration
2. Mini-flares on web belt – a mix of filled and empty slots are okay
3. Accurate Comm Pad (size, details, 3-dimensional, colouration, etc.) visible in the correct comm pad pocket on outside left forearm above wrist

OPTIONAL REQUIREMENT
1. Metallic silver Code Cylinders (Arm Tools) in left shoulder pocket. Two minimum; four maximum. Cylinder heads showing should resemble screen accurate representations
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PROPOSAL: Do away with this "formal" category altogether. I would list some of these as optional, some obsolete, some now required:

NEW STANDARD REQUIRED:
9. AH-H-15 Flight Cap: Bare minimum required for headgear. This is a WWII-era cloth flight cap, khaki in color, with rubber ear cups and snaps along the cheeks (originally to attach the oxygen mask). Worn as the basis for all A-wing, B-wing, and Y-wing pilots from RotJ, under the solid helmet. Originals or accurate reproductions are accepted.

NEW OPTIONAL/ENCOURAGED:
10. Solid Y-wing Flight Helmet: Accurately shaped "bucket", with movie-accurate or Star Wars style paint and markings. Also:
*Leather or leather-like padding around the inside edge
*Pink or yellow-shaded visor
*Proper greeblies.

11. BELT BOX: An elongated box, painted black and clipped to the left side of the belt. It is about 5" tall, 2.5" wide, and 1" deep, and with proper details on the front and top.

OPTIONAL:
Rebel Sidearm: Never seen on screen on Y-wing pilots, but allowed. Should stick to Alliance-appropriate blaster pistols such as the DL-44 or DH-17, with matching holster.

NO LONGER ALLOWED:
Comm-pads
Code cylinders
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 1:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Smile

Two question at the Gaiters:

Quote:
1. Each gaiter is constructed in two halves, with two padded seams (about 3/8"/1cm) in front and rear, and have a small gap down the center of each. The rear seam can either have a velcro closure, or the gaiter can be stitched closed and pulled on before putting on boots. The front-bottom edges should be angled to sit over the top of the boots, and ride about 1" above the bottom of the heel. The top is even all around.


Do you have any pictures that the Gaiters are constructed out of two halves?


Quote:
*A 1 to 1-1/4" wide strap, made from the same material as the gaiters, wraps around each legging at a slight angle, with the lower part about 3" from the top edge, and the higher part attached to the back about 2" from the top. A metal or metal-like slide buckle is mounted center-back.



Do you have any pictures of the "metal -slide buckle?

Thank you
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 1:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello,
a question to the Belt:
The triangle ... is it dark (like brown) or realy black.
Do you have any pictures please?

Quote:
PROPOSED STANDARD: The belt is made of 2” white webbing, the same as the ejection straps.
*A short section of 2” white webbing is layered over the front center of the belt, with two black triangle safety stitches that point inward.
*Six flare loops made of 1” white webbing off to the wearer’s right side of the belt. At least 3 mini-flares (metal or painted dowel rods) be mounted in the flare loops.
*2” black plastic or metal side-release buckle on the BACK of the belt.


Thank you
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 1:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello,
sorry to go on Smile

questions to VEST: over all Do you please have pictures?


Quote:
PROPOSED STANDARD: Accurately styled and constructed padded front vest with webbing harness, made of a solid white or off-white fabric (preferably a flat nylon or polyester).

Are you sure on nylon or polyester? ... not canvas?
The whole vest is definitiv off-white .. not white.

Quote:
*The front is shaped roughly like a trapezoid, with narrow bits that extend out and form the shoulder (about 2.5-3" wide) & side straps about 3.5-4" wide), with rounded scoop shapes to the neck and sides. The main center portion consists of a large padded part, sewn down on top and bottom, leaving a gusseted part on each side and down the center.

Are you sure it is a trapezoid? (think it is a question of construction)
- its also sewn down in the center two times
Also missing the "semicircular padded" part on the bottom of the vest. (the part that is under the "smal flap with the black hemisphere buttons"


Quote:
*A 1" black plastic slide buckle is mounted to each shoulder strap part of the vest, just under where the gathered loops from the 2" back webbing are stitched down. These buckles are simply "greeblies" that do nothing on this vest.

Why writing down something that is not? (that do nothing on this vest)
maybe using "without any other function"


Quote:
*The back consists of 2" white webbing coming together in the center back in an "X" fashion, with the top two straps connecting to the shoulders of the front piece and the webbing ends gathered over the shoulders in 4 stitched loops. The bottom straps connect to the front's sides. The shoulder straps and vest front & back should all be one piece, but the sides can be split and held together via velcro, snaps, etc (as long as the closures are hidden).

There is a hexagon cloth in the middle of the back. the webbing belt is off-white and they come together in this hexagon. On the bottom of the hexagon there is a webbing belt that closes in the front. the other two webbing belts on the top side of the hexagon connect with the shoulders.


Quote:
*Several "greeblies" and boxes are permanently attached to the front of the vest. One main box mounted to the top just under the collar has two options: #1, a rectangular box identified as an old Motorola "Pageboy" pager, and #2, likely the back of an old desk calculator, with angular sides and electrical component greeblies (both boxes are painted black). Another smaller black box is inserted into a small pocket just right of the center gusset on the vest. Below the small box is a square greeblie with 4 round components. Mounted to the middle just under the main padded part is a row of small square greeblies, originally multi-pin electrical plugs.


Quote:
*A small flap is at the bottom of the vest, kept in place with two snaps. A small white rectangle of cloth with unknown scribbly text is stitched to the front of this flap.

the "snaps" are black hemisphere buttons

Quote:
*A rectangle of yellow cloth with more unknown scribbly text is stitched to the lower portion of the left of the vest.
*The ejection straps are stitched to the bottom of the vest, to a V-shaped tab just below the small flap.


Missing the "black round disk" and the white cloth-hose

I also would suggest to describe alle "vest-parts" together.
(basic vest with pocket - "semicircular padded" part - smal flapp - V-Shaped part)
after this all the other parts like grebblies, harness, cloth with text, chestboxes, etc.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 2:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello,

all webbing belts should be off-white.

Quote:
PROPOSED STANDARD: Both straps are made of 2" white webbing, same as the belt.
*Constructed as one large loop, with one end stitched around the center of a thin metal 2" slide buckle, and the other end coming together with the other strap end and both stitched to the bottom of the vest (See VEST). The leg loops are formed by passing the long end through the slide buckle. The leg loops should hang freely around the knees of the wearer.
*When worn, the ejection straps are UNDER the belt in the front, roughly at the wearer's belly level.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For the FLIGHTSUIT i copy the wording from the A-Wing in here which is in my point of view VERY GOOD and I thank Ingo Kaiser for it!

I think we should use below wording for all 3 A+B+Y-Wing AND it clearly shows the pattern of the vintage USAF suit which was used for this kinda pilots

QUOTE
1.Flight Suit:

(I changed the color and the collar closure as they are different (A+B-Wing rectengular, Y-Wing pointed clusure)

REQUIRED:
• Grey colored flight suit
• Flight suit has a folding style collar (club type), with a rectangular closure tab closing to wearer’s left side. Closure tab may be pointed (chevron).
• Left arm has a pocket 2-3 inches below shoulder. 3 layers including a base, a layer that has two channel pockets and an upper layer with the same two channel pockets. The over-all pocket is tilted between 15-40 degrees towards the front. All layers have a double stitch around the edges. With the channels being the only openings. Original was a bellow type pocket but bellow type is optional.
• Thigh pockets with rectangular flap closures.
• No other pockets. Especially Commpad pocket, code cylinder pocket and pocket on right arm are not allowed.
• No visible zippers or snaps, zipper cover has a female opening (attached on wearer’s right side) of the suit.

OPTIONAL:

• Left arm pocket may be bellow type and/or may have rounded lower edges.
• Rectangular application on shoulders from edge of shoulder to almost the collar.
• Trapezoidal applications/fake pockets on left and right side of chest running down to the belt section.
• Rectangular application on the sides of the legs visible half on the front and half on the back.
QUOTE END


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2021 5:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leroni wrote:
Hello Smile

Two question at the Gaiters:

Quote:
1. Each gaiter is constructed in two halves, with two padded seams (about 3/8"/1cm) in front and rear, and have a small gap down the center of each. The rear seam can either have a velcro closure, or the gaiter can be stitched closed and pulled on before putting on boots. The front-bottom edges should be angled to sit over the top of the boots, and ride about 1" above the bottom of the heel. The top is even all around.


Do you have any pictures that the Gaiters are constructed out of two halves?


I posted this on the A-wing page, but here it is again:



Quote:
*A 1 to 1-1/4" wide strap, made from the same material as the gaiters, wraps around each legging at a slight angle, with the lower part about 3" from the top edge, and the higher part attached to the back about 2" from the top. A metal or metal-like slide buckle is mounted center-back.



Leroni wrote:
Do you have any pictures of the "metal -slide buckle?

Thank you
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I do not, and I'm trying to think where I saw them. It really isn't needed if you think about it, and if it does split in the back like in the above photo, no where to really put it. And you can't see one in that photo either. I may have been getting this from another's build, I'm not sure. All I know is that back in 2013, I put them on the ones I made. If I'm wrong, so be it, that can be struck from the revision.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2021 5:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leroni wrote:
Hello,
a question to the Belt:
The triangle ... is it dark (like brown) or realy black.
Do you have any pictures please?

Quote:
PROPOSED STANDARD: The belt is made of 2” white webbing, the same as the ejection straps.
*A short section of 2” white webbing is layered over the front center of the belt, with two black triangle safety stitches that point inward.
*Six flare loops made of 1” white webbing off to the wearer’s right side of the belt. At least 3 mini-flares (metal or painted dowel rods) be mounted in the flare loops.
*2” black plastic or metal side-release buckle on the BACK of the belt.


Thank you
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2021 6:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Leroni"]Hello,
sorry to go on Smile

questions to VEST: over all Do you please have pictures?


Quote:
PROPOSED STANDARD: Accurately styled and constructed padded front vest with webbing harness, made of a solid white or off-white fabric (preferably a flat nylon or polyester).


Leroni wrote:
Are you sure on nylon or polyester? ... not canvas?
The whole vest is definitiv off-white .. not white.


Definitely white ballistic nylon. This is from first-hand sources that have handled examples in the LFL archives. The "off-white" is just heavy weathering.


Quote:
*The front is shaped roughly like a trapezoid, with narrow bits that extend out and form the shoulder (about 2.5-3" wide) & side straps about 3.5-4" wide), with rounded scoop shapes to the neck and sides. The main center portion consists of a large padded part, sewn down on top and bottom, leaving a gusseted part on each side and down the center.


Leroni wrote:
Are you sure it is a trapezoid? (think it is a question of construction)
- its also sewn down in the center two times
Also missing the "semicircular padded" part on the bottom of the vest. (the part that is under the "smal flap with the black hemisphere buttons"


I suppose "trapezoid" was meant to describe the overall shape of the vest's main panel, but probably not necessary. The "semi-circular padded part" is what I described as a rough "V" shaped part that the leg straps are attached to.


Quote:
*A 1" black plastic slide buckle is mounted to each shoulder strap part of the vest, just under where the gathered loops from the 2" back webbing are stitched down. These buckles are simply "greeblies" that do nothing on this vest.

Leroni wrote:
Why writing down something that is not? (that do nothing on this vest)
maybe using "without any other function"


Semantics Smile They really do nothing but hang there. But it could be reworded to say "These buckles are simply decorative greeblies that serve no function."


Quote:
*The back consists of 2" white webbing coming together in the center back in an "X" fashion, with the top two straps connecting to the shoulders of the front piece and the webbing ends gathered over the shoulders in 4 stitched loops. The bottom straps connect to the front's sides. The shoulder straps and vest front & back should all be one piece, but the sides can be split and held together via velcro, snaps, etc (as long as the closures are hidden).


Leroni wrote:
There is a hexagon cloth in the middle of the back. the webbing belt is off-white and they come together in this hexagon. On the bottom of the hexagon there is a webbing belt that closes in the front. the other two webbing belts on the top side of the hexagon connect with the shoulders.


Another first-hand source bit of info: the back straps are simply sewn together into an "X", with no cloth panel covering them. The construction is actually 2 straps.... one that attaches to both shoulders, and comes down and is stitched to a horizontal strap that attaches to the sides of the vest. I'm not sure where the idea of the hexagon comes from, but my info says it's an "X".

The belt & harness webbing is white. That photo in the Alinger book shows a kit that was heavily weathered, giving the outward appearance of off-white.


Quote:
*Several "greeblies" and boxes are permanently attached to the front of the vest. One main box mounted to the top just under the collar has two options: #1, a rectangular box identified as an old Motorola "Pageboy" pager, and #2, likely the back of an old desk calculator, with angular sides and electrical component greeblies (both boxes are painted black). Another smaller black box is inserted into a small pocket just right of the center gusset on the vest. Below the small box is a square greeblie with 4 round components. Mounted to the middle just under the main padded part is a row of small square greeblies, originally multi-pin electrical plugs.

Quote:
*A small flap is at the bottom of the vest, kept in place with two snaps. A small white rectangle of cloth with unknown scribbly text is stitched to the front of this flap.


Leroni wrote:
the "snaps" are black hemisphere buttons


Probably could just say "rounded black snaps".


Quote:
*A rectangle of yellow cloth with more unknown scribbly text is stitched to the lower portion of the left of the vest.
*The ejection straps are stitched to the bottom of the vest, to a V-shaped tab just below the small flap.


Leroni wrote:
Missing the "black round disk" and the white cloth-hose


"Black round disc"?
I DID forget the hose.... my bad! Let's put that in:

*Cloth-wrapped hose is attached to the upper right side of the vest. A black fitting connects it. The hose wrapping is white cloth scrunched up around a hose, tubing, thick rope, etc. The hose should be long enough to hang down along the wearer's right leg, a few inches above the knee. The loose end is then tucked back up under the left side of the vest.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2021 7:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey, guys - ObiShawn - Hazard One of Hazard Squadron - here.

I was asked to chime in on some of the vest questions, having handled the costumes and snapped a few pics on a working trip to Skywalker Ranch. They were taken run-and-gun style, quickly but with permission, but I didn't get what you'd call "full coverage" of every pilot.

I can't share the full pics, but am glad to use them for reference to fill in gaps - and if I cover areas you've already settled on, apologies. Also not singling anyone out - just providing the information I have, not calling anyone "wrong".

If I miss a question you've posted, ask again and I'll do what I can. I'm pretty sure I can create sketches of the photographs without violating my agreement with Lucasfilm and getting anyone in trouble.

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Are you sure on nylon or polyester? ... not canvas?
The whole vest is definitiv off-white .. not white.


The vest is definitely a large-weave heavy ballistic nylon. It began as white, and has aged (yellowed) and weathered (grayed) to off-white. Straps began as the same color as the vest nylon - I verified by pulling the straps back at seams to expose bright, clean white areas on vest and strap. The heavy construction and reinforcement of the vest leads me to think that it has been repurposed from another walk of life, like a safety harness from Fire and Rescue.

Side note - one vest has a name and address on it; I snapped a pic of it, and found who I think may be the person on Facebook, but he has yet to respond to any messages. I was hoping he could say in what career he used the item.

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Are you sure it is a trapezoid? (think it is a question of construction)
- its also sewn down in the center two times
Also missing the "semicircular padded" part on the bottom of the vest. (the part that is under the "smal flap with the black hemisphere buttons"


Discounting the straps, the chest portion of the vest is shaped very much like the Biker Scout chestplate. Where the centerline is, is a vertical gusset, closed at the top and bottom that allows for maybe two inches of horizontal spread in the middle, and seems to be attached inside of the double-stitched outer seams on either side.

On the straps, the looped nylon webbing looks original, while the nylon snap buckles are added for aesthetics. The attached white "insulated hoses" felt like polished cotton, but a super-fine-grade matte nylon could also work.

The "fanny pack" or "belly" portion appears to be a support to the labelled flap - likely a horizontal belt loop, as it is triple-stitched. The "black hemisphere buttons" are steel-reinforced industrial rivets painted black, and one or both are often scraped down to the metal underneath. I feel they are original to the vest.

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There is a hexagon cloth in the middle of the back. the webbing belt is off-white and they come together in this hexagon. On the bottom of the hexagon there is a webbing belt that closes in the front. the other two webbing belts on the top side of the hexagon connect with the shoulders.


In the one photo I have showing the back straps, there is no cloth piece - the shoulder straps form a "v" by traveling down the back, folding over once to make a 45-degree change in direction, then back up to the other shoulder. The "v" is sewn to the same size webbing for attachement to the waist belt. There is no intermediary fabric in play, it's all webbing.

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*A small flap is at the bottom of the vest, kept in place with two snaps. A small white rectangle of cloth with unknown scribbly text is stitched to the front of this flap.


As above I think this triple-stitched flap is a belt loop, open on the sides, and reinforced with black "button" steel rivets. The rectangular "label" is cotton duck or canvas, not nylon, and distinctly white despite having weathering to dull it down. The writing - quite legible up close - is in English and hand-written, and in fine super-fine-point marker similar to Sharpie. Some vests have "easter egg" notes on them, like references to ILM.


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*A rectangle of yellow cloth with more unknown scribbly text is stitched to the lower portion of the left of the vest.


This label could be cotton, but it has an almost suede look to it, mildly fuzzy, and doesn't have the texture/grain of the white cotton label. It could even have been white canvas painted yellow as a detail - the thread was once white, and the thread sticking out from under it in one of my photos still is white.

The writing is the same as the white label, and depending on the vest, some is in English and some in made up "alien" gibberish, also written in super-fine-point marker. Like the white label, every yellow label is unique.

Also - I didn't see the "calculator" vest there, just the pageboy vests - I saw 3 different ones, all with minor inconsistancies from each other.

Anyway, hope it helps a little? Here are some slivers of photos I trhik I can share, to help make my points. http://shawnandcolleen.com/temp/Y-Wing%20details/
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2021 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Philonius wrote:

Leroni wrote:
Are you sure on nylon or polyester? ... not canvas?
The whole vest is definitiv off-white .. not white.


Definitely white ballistic nylon. This is from first-hand sources that have handled examples in the LFL archives. The "off-white" is just heavy weathering.


In my point of view there are 2 versions, like there is not 1 style of B-wing helmets.
V1 is a tan or off white canvas or similar cloth + Motorola style chest box horizontal (see pic1 from the costume book).



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V2 is a tan or off white ballistic nylon + the bigger chestbox (other style, which I do not know its orginaly)
(see pic2+3 Polaroid form the film ste and a pic from the Smithsonian exhibition)

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We should create a costume standard that includes both versions of the vest and not exclude or denie one or the other.
For each style we should further look out not to mix chestboxes.
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