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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2021 1:48 pm    Post subject: female Scarif Marine references Reply with quote

There are a couple of female Scarif Marine/Rebel Alliance Infantry in the movie Rogue One. Most of them are on Yavin 4 but 2 of them are also in the battle of Scarif.


The first unnamed female trooper walks around where Jyn and Cassian get into the U-Wing. She is wearing boots from Rp.7 TFA (green frame). Corporal Maddel Rodma Maddel is also in the background (light blue frame).








There are three female Scarif Marines in the briefing/meeting scene. One (green arrow) of them wears a brown jacket, has a DH-17, and the square/rectangular belt buckle with three bumps similar to the Hoth Trooper belt buckles. She is also in the background of the hangar scene that follows the meeting. This woman is also in the battle on Scarif. She wears a tan/khaki open-back vest, tan/khaki cap, and a Yugoslavian Mess Kit on the back of her belt. during the battle. She dies in front of the bunker.


















I think that the woman in the center is Maddel (light blue arrow). She wears a belt with a role pin buckle and her tan/khaki jacket does not have blood stripes. The visual guide states that Maddel was with the reinforcement that came with Blue Squadron but she is not in the battle scene that made it into the movie or in any Behind the scenes material of the battle.








The third woman is wearing a tan/khaki open-back vest and a tan/khaki tunic. She is also in the background of the hangar scene. She is carrying a helmet under her left arm. I think it is an M1 helmet.














Another female trooper walks behind the imperial shuttle when Jyn and Cassian board. This woman also wears Ep.7 TFA boots.




The last female trooper is Corporal Timker in VG page 155. The details of her costume are not very visible in the movie. She runs through the water in the trailer and is in the ditch and the beach in some behind-the-scenes material.

















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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

as always, exceptionally well researched and rendered.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2021 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

G'nott sH'urr wrote:
as always, exceptionally well researched and rendered.


Thank you for the compliment, David.



Some of you might be wondering why I think that the woman running through the water and crawling through the ditch is Corporal Timker. I will explain my thought process. Two of the female Scarif Marines wear Cassian-style jackets. Maddel wears a tan/khaki one with a bleu M69 flak vest and the other wears a brown jacket with a tan/khaki open-back vest. Both of them carry aDH-17 but they are different versions. The other two wear Melshi style tunics with an open-back vest. Please look at the first posts for references.

So there are only two left. One wears an olive green anorak with dark green contrasts, a Donut-helmet, tan/khaki cargo pants, brown Ep.7 TFA and carries a DH-17 blaster. She is only in that one scene in front of the U-Wing.

The woman on Yavin 4 cannot be Timker because in the Visual Guide Timker wears a jacket/anorak that does not have contrasts which also does not have the extra flaps on the color like the men's anoraks have. She wears dark cargo pants and carries a short A-300 blaster.

The woman that runs through the water wears a donut helmet, dark cargo pants and carries a short A-300 blaster. She also wears a PLCE belt with a roll pin buckle like Timker in the book but the loops and air hose connectors are missing. The jacket/anorak is one color and does not have flaps on the collar. The collar looks similar to the one Timker has. The woman in the water has a Danish pouch on the left backside of her belt.

The woman in the ditch wears a one-colored jacket/anorak, dark cargo pants, Scarif Marine boots, and a donut helmet. She wears a Danish pouch in the same location as the woman in the water. She also carries a short A-300 blaster.

There were not many women on Yavin 4 set and I only found two on the Scarif Set sofar. One is the one that I think is Timker and the other is the woman with the brown jacket, tan/khaki cap, pants, and open-back vest that has a Yoguslavian Mess Kit on the back of her belt and carries a DH-17. She gets shot while running to the bunker towards the climax of the film.



Unknown female Scarif Marine on Yavin 4




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PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2021 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

for sake of discussion, is it possible that she is a unknown person. trooper who may have not made it to the other scenes described?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2021 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

G'nott sH'urr wrote:
for sake of discussion, is it possible that she is a unknown person. trooper who may have not made it to the other scenes described?



Yes, of course, the female Marine in the water and the ditch could be another unnamed female character and not Corporal Timker. The most unique thing about the woman in the movie and Timker in the Visual Guide is that her jacket/anorak does not have a second color as a contrast similar to the jacket/anorak that Mefran, Casrich, Calfor, or Pao wear. The men either wear olive green with darker green contrasts or tan/khaki with brown contrasts.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2021 8:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It does not really matter who the two female Scarif Marines in the battle of Scarif are. The only thing that really matters to me that they are the first female supporting casts that are shown as Rebel Alliance infantry in a combat situation on the ground.

The costumes of the two women are also unique. The one in front of the bunker is the only Scarif Marine that wears a Cassian Andor style jacket in combination with an open-back vest. She also only has one pouch that she wears in the back. It is a Yugoslavian Mess Kit, which looks huge on her because she is so tiny. The men often have 2 or more pouches.

The woman in the water and ditch is also unique in three different ways. She is the only Scarif Marine with an anorak that does not have the dark green or brown contrasts. She is also the only Scarif Marine that does not wear any type of vest or bandolier with the anorak. She also only wears one visible pouch on her belt. She has a Danish pouch on the left side of her back.

Even Maddel in the Visual Guide is unique. She is the only person with a tan/khaki Cassian Andor-style jacket that does not have the blood stripe detail. In the VG she also only has one visible pouch. She has a dyed Yugoslavian Mess Kit on the right side of her belt.























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PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2021 8:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agreed, the woman running through the water has color contrast on her sleeves, whereas Timker in the Visual Dictionary does not. It's not the same jacket.

I had thought the woman running through the water to be the unknown woman walking on the Yavin tarmac, but it could just be that they both are wearing the same style anoraks.

However, the woman running through the water has much longer jacket fabric covering the legs according to my analysis. I'm not sure if it is stretched longer due to being wet, or if it may be similar to the fourth version of Rebel infantry on Yavin 4 you recently posted about that has long "jacket skirts."



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2021 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would not use the 4K references from Rogue One on starwarsscreencaps.com as color references. The color is off if you compare the color to the DVD, Blue Ray, Disney Plus, and Youtube references. I do not see darker contrasts when I look at the woman in the water in the VD, Blue Ray, and Youtube references. I cannot take screencaps of Rogue One in Disney Plus.

If you think the slit of the anorak of the woman in the water goes all the way up to the waist, then it has to be a different anorak than what the men on Scarif/Yavin 4 and the woman on Yavin 4 wear. The fishtail in the back of the two colored anoraks does not go that far up.

The anoraks come down to different lengths on different wearers. I do not know if the anoraks are different lengths or if is just the body proportions of the where. My husband's Gorka 3 looks like a dress one because he is about 6 inches taller than me.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2021 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The more I look at my movie references (DVD, BR, 4K, YT, and D+) and the Visual Guide the more I think the VG got some stuff wrong. I cannot find the woman called Maddel in any of the battle scenes. The two women that are still in the movie are almost always together in the battle scenes that were cut from the movie but Maddel is not there.

I also think that they either used a different woman or anorak for Timker in the VG because the anorak that the woman in the water wears looks huge on her. The blaster, helmet, and Danish pouch also look huge on her. The anorak in the VG also does not seem to have elastic sleeve cuffs but one in the movie does. Perhaps the women from the film were not available for the photoshoot.

I know that some characters were played by two different people in the Film because they were not available for the reshoots. One of them was Corporal Serchill Rostok and one was the imperial Lieutenant Milton Putuna. There was also a stand-in for Bail Organa in some shots. Perhaps that happened with the women too.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2021 5:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I took new screencaps from the Rogue One trailer and Celebration Reel and lightened them up. Sam is correct the woman in the water and in the ditch is wearing the same anorak as the men. I can see that the shoulders and back have a dark contrast. The fishtail is also about the same length as the men's. The anorak looks longer on her because she is tiny. I was also able to see the flaps of the collar flapping when she runs.

The slit does not go all the way to the waist. That thing that we see flapping is the arm of another person. I guess that it was a good idea to buy the DVD a couple of days ago. I only had Rogue One on Blue-Ray and Disney Plus. I could not take screencaps myself and had to rely on starwarsscreencaps.com because my computer cannot play Blue Rays and I only get black screencaps on Disney Plus.

My conclusion is that the woman is either not Timker or that they used the wrong anorak in the Visual Guide.











Rogue One: A Star Wars Story - Celebration Reel
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Going back to the first Visual Dictionary from years ago, they are a mess. The first one from way back when was partly made with early 501st costumes, and lots of filler junk to fill the book with parts.

Reshoots, lack of continuity from wardrobe etc leads to lots of differences in film , especially at the level we are researching at.

Do you think the Standard needs to reflect an all new person/character, or just be written to incorporate these items as a type A / B/ C/ D?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2021 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

G'nott sH'urr wrote:
Going back to the first Visual Dictionary from years ago, they are a mess. The first one from way back when was partly made with early 501st costumes, and lots of filler junk to fill the book with parts.

Reshoots, lack of continuity from wardrobe etc leads to lots of differences in film , especially at the level we are researching at.

Do you think the Standard needs to reflect an all new person/character, or just be written to incorporate these items as a type A / B/ C/ D?



The women fit mostly in the three Scarif Marine CS updates (A / B /C). We just would have to add to CS update A and C that those Scarif Troopers can also wear TFA boots and describe how those boots look like. The woman with the tan/khaki open-back vest and brown jacket in front of the bunker is already covered by the CS update B. In update C we would also have to make sure that wearing some type of vest (M69 vest, open-back vest, and grenade vest) or bandolier (Sten or SAS) is optional and not mandatory like it is in the currently published CS on the webpage. We are still missing a good reference of the back of version D so we cannot put that one in a CS yet.

Niall made a new post in which he put all the versions back into one CS on January 4th, 2021. I do not like that because it makes it more difficult to spot mistakes and correct them. I prefer to keep each version in its own CS so that the information is easier to process.

R1 Alliance Infantry (new thread for all versions)
http://www.forum.rebellegion.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=115664




Alliance Infantry Type A (R1)

http://www.forum.rebellegion.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=112656





Alliance Infantry Type B (R1)

http://www.forum.rebellegion.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=112657&start=15






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http://www.forum.rebellegion.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=112658&start=15


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2021 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The taller brown boots on the anorak/ gorka lady are def the pozu's used in the prequels. I'm in agreement that they are added as a combination with the gorka. We cant allow them with anything else unless we have a reference.

Just as a general note, we cant build costumes from just blurry screenshots- If shot are grainy or a a bit out of focus, but we can clearly see a combination of parts - but then use other images for the detail then that's fine.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2021 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tenebris wrote:
The taller brown boots on the anorak/ gorka lady are def the pozu's used in the prequels. I'm in agreement that they are added as a combination with the gorka. We cant allow them with anything else unless we have a reference.

Just as a general note, we cant build costumes from just blurry screenshots- If shot are grainy or a a bit out of focus, but we can clearly see a combination of parts - but then use other images for the detail then that's fine.



I bought the DVD of Rogue One, so I can make my own screen caps on the computer. I will try to take some screenshots of the two women with pozu boots. The second one wears a blue tunic and a tan/khaki Open-Back vest. The kombination of DVD, Blu-ray and 4K references will help a little bit with the details. Any missing details can be taken from other characters with the same items.
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